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Very true.
Personally, I'd up that break0in period to 500 rounds, myself.
Very true.
Personally, I'd up that break0in period to 500 rounds, myself.
I think I'd already put about 300 rounds through it when the problem cropped up on me, but like I said it seemed to go away when I used decent ammo.Also remember that any new gun should have at least 200 rounds shot through it before it can be considered reliable. You are supposed to "break in" any new gun. In fact, as nice as Kahrs are, they put in their manual that you can't rely on them at all until they have had their 200 round break-in. Through those 200 rounds, there may be a few jams, maybe even more than a few. But after the break in, you shouldn't experience any more jamming.
For real. You have to break guns in. Many people will buy a new gun, fire one box of ammo through it, and then jump on to the internet talking about how their gun jams, and that model can't be trusted, etc. So there's a lot of bad information out there from people that don't understand that guns, like boots, have to be broken in.
I usually just target shoot FMJ from Winchester, Blazer or Mastercast. For carry, I use Federal Premium hollow points. Good enough?expvideo wrote:I think I'd already put about 300 rounds through it when the problem cropped up on me, but like I said it seemed to go away when I used decent ammo.Also remember that any new gun should have at least 200 rounds shot through it before it can be considered reliable. You are supposed to "break in" any new gun. In fact, as nice as Kahrs are, they put in their manual that you can't rely on them at all until they have had their 200 round break-in. Through those 200 rounds, there may be a few jams, maybe even more than a few. But after the break in, you shouldn't experience any more jamming.
For real. You have to break guns in. Many people will buy a new gun, fire one box of ammo through it, and then jump on to the internet talking about how their gun jams, and that model can't be trusted, etc. So there's a lot of bad information out there from people that don't understand that guns, like boots, have to be broken in.
Yeah that should work. I normally use Magtech FMJ as my target rounds and Cor-Bon DPX (soon to be Hydrashoks) as my SD round, so you should be good.USAF_MetalChris wrote:I usually just target shoot FMJ from Winchester, Blazer or Mastercast. For carry, I use Federal Premium hollow points. Good enough?expvideo wrote:I think I'd already put about 300 rounds through it when the problem cropped up on me, but like I said it seemed to go away when I used decent ammo.Also remember that any new gun should have at least 200 rounds shot through it before it can be considered reliable. You are supposed to "break in" any new gun. In fact, as nice as Kahrs are, they put in their manual that you can't rely on them at all until they have had their 200 round break-in. Through those 200 rounds, there may be a few jams, maybe even more than a few. But after the break in, you shouldn't experience any more jamming.
For real. You have to break guns in. Many people will buy a new gun, fire one box of ammo through it, and then jump on to the internet talking about how their gun jams, and that model can't be trusted, etc. So there's a lot of bad information out there from people that don't understand that guns, like boots, have to be broken in.
The 380 CC feels nice in the hands, too. I don't like the sights though. It's made for close up self defense point shooting, so the sights are useless for the range. Comfortable gun though.I really like my Thunder 380. It shoots well. It ain't no 45 ACP, butcarry some good HP rounds and you should be OK.
I kind of wish I had gone with the Bersa 380 CC. It is smaller and better for conceal carry. The T' 380 is just a tad big to carry in your pocket.
Does it get enough velocity to for the hollow-point to open up?I really like my Thunder 380. It shoots well. It ain't no 45 ACP, butcarry some good HP rounds and you should be OK.
rkj wrote:Does it get enough velocity to for the hollow-point to open up?I really like my Thunder 380. It shoots well. It ain't no 45 ACP, butcarry some good HP rounds and you should be OK.
If you want to get closer to a ballistic gel test, check out Box O' Truth's web site and their testing methods if you are not familiar with the site. They explain why they use that protocol as well. Or, even easier, contact the site and offer to send them a box of ammo for testing. They'll test about anything if someone sends them the ammo to run through it's paces.Citizen wrote:rkj wrote:Does it get enough velocity to for the hollow-point to open up?I really like my Thunder 380. It shoots well. It ain't no 45 ACP, butcarry some good HP rounds and you should be OK.
I use the Corbon 135gr jhp's in my thunder 380. I shoot milk jugs of ice at 50ft. Makes a pretty good mess. I'd hate to recieve one at 20ft or less! I would like to try it in some ballistic gell, but can't afford it.
oops, forgot to add, I realize ICE, doesn't give the same results as soft tissue damage by this round, hence the gell test. But given the ice results, I think BONE is in for some real damage.
Go back to page 1 of this thread. A bit below the middle of the page I have a link to brassfetcher's tests of .380 ammo. I was amazed at the performance of Federal's Hydrashok. It opened up to about .45" and penetrated 12"! I find this incredible, especially considering it was fired from a Kel-Tec P3AT, which has a 2.75" barrel. They correct their penetration values in every block of gelatin by firing a few calibration BBs too.Does it get enough velocity to for the hollow-point to open up?
Precisely. The federal hydrashoks in my fiancee's Bersa Thunder .380 have a much larger hollow point opening than the hollow points in my Sig P226 9mm, even though the bullets have the same diameter.Go back to page 1 of this thread. A bit below the middle of the page I have a link to brassfetcher's tests of .380 ammo. I was amazed at the performance of Federal's Hydrashok. It opened up to about .45" and penetrated 12"! I find this incredible, especially considering it was fired from a Kel-Tec P3AT, which has a 2.75" barrel. They correct their penetration values in every block of gelatin by firing a few calibration BBs too.Does it get enough velocity to for the hollow-point to open up?
Today's ammunition is very high tech, JHP's are usually designed to open at specific velocities. Manufacturers of quality .380 ammunition know that the bullet will need to expand at lower velocities. For example, speer makes gold dot's specifically designed to expand at low velocities. These bullets may be in their Short Barrel ammo, although I'm not certain on that.
(Nevermind, lol, I was getting WAY off topic there)
where is the cheapest place to get them (new and in stock) all blue?
i just bought a bersa thunder 380 dbl action semi -auto what do u guys think ? worth it or not?
I am greatly surprised. I wonder if you just happen to get one as the result of a bad day at the factory. I just bought my Bersa Thunder .380 a year ago here in Mich.and it came in, yes, a cardboard box (so did my Taurus 24/7) for $139.00 out the door and it wasn't packed in grease, and it came with 2 clips in the box. I haven't had any bad experiences with it yet. Sorry you seem to have gotten a bad deal.JOHNNY.1983 wrote:i just bought a bersa thunder 380 dbl action semi -auto what do u guys think ? worth it or not?
No! its a ******* piece of crap.
Here are some reasons why:
1. The safety is on the slide
2. It has a safety (3 actually)
3. DA/SA Trigger systems are useless. Do not put your finger on the trigger until your sights are on your target and you have made the decision to fire.
4. key locking trigger option is garbage. Get a safe if you are worried about kids on criminals getting to it.
5. The weapon wont fire with the mag out.
6. combination de-cocking leaver and safety.
7. IF you buy one new, it comes in cardboard box COVERED in cosmoline and wrapped in a plastic bag, like the tossed in a bucket of lard.
8. The gun also only comes with 1 mag new.
9. The Magazines are expensive
10. working on the weapon or getting replacement parts is also very expensive
If you have $200-$300 now to waste on a Bersa .380, then wait till you have $400-$500 and buy a Glock.
JOHNNY.1983 wrote:i just bought a bersa thunder 380 dbl action semi -auto what do u guys think ? worth it or not?
No! its a ******* piece of crap.
Here are some reasons why:
1. The safety is on the slide
2. It has a safety (3 actually)
3. DA/SA Trigger systems are useless. Do not put your finger on the trigger until your sights are on your target and you have made the decision to fire.
4. key locking trigger option is garbage. Get a safe if you are worried about kids on criminals getting to it.
5. The weapon wont fire with the mag out.
6. combination de-cocking leaver and safety.
7. IF you buy one new, it comes in cardboard box COVERED in cosmoline and wrapped in a plastic bag, like the tossed in a bucket of lard.
8. The gun also only comes with 1 mag new.
9. The Magazines are expensive
10. working on the weapon or getting replacement parts is also very expensive
If you have $200-$300 now to waste on a Bersa .380, then wait till you have $400-$500 and buy a Glock.
Try the 2 gun shops in Manassaswhere is the cheapest place to get them (new and in stock) all blue?