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    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/03/06/...lot/index.html

    This is an interesting story. On one hand the dad probaby feels (or was maybe pressured) into turning over the guns because of his son's behavior. However if they had a safe and whether or not the kid had the combo, I don't know that there is a need to turn over the weapons. My kids don't know the combo, I am not likely to turn over the weapons - sure it might look good from a PR point of view, but if the danger is already limited, what's the point? Is the DA going to go harder on the kid for not cooperating when the parents haven't really done anything wrong other than maybe not pay as close attention to their kid as they should have been?

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    I would find a friend to take them first that had a safe or go to Dick's sporting goods and buy one.

    Not turning in my guns.

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    An alleged plot hatched by a high school student to murder his classmates and teachers in New Jersey was foiled early this week, police told CNN Thursday.

    A 17-year-old male from Belvidere, New Jersey, near the Pennsylvania state line, was taken into custody Monday after school administrators heard about the plan from worried students and contacted local police Sunday.
    The student told classmates about a hit list he had, said Belvidere Police Chief Kent Sweigert, but in interviews with authorities the teen denied the allegation.
    The Belvidere High School student also told authorities he wanted to serve in the U.S. military in Iraq, the police chief said.
    "'I love combat and I love to kill,'" Sweigert quoted the young man as saying.
    The student is currently undergoing a psychiatric evaluation, the police chief said.
    According to New Jersey State Police Lt. Gerald Lewis, the plot had developed to the point that the student had begun surveying school security and mapping routes to escape after the attack.
    Sweigert said the school psychologist reported the student had behavioral problems and had recently undergone a sudden change in behavior, changing his plans to attend a community college and wearing military-style fatigues with a short haircut.
    He also began carrying books about the military and had recently contacted the National Guard, Sweigert said.
    A National Guardsman who the student had been spending time with on the weekends, 22-year-old James Schipps, is in custody in connection with the case and faces charges on three counts including "making terroristic threats" and "hindering apprehension," Lewis told CNN.
    Authorities confiscated the student's notebooks and magazines, and found "something serious" in the contents, Sweigert said without providing details. However, he added, what the student had written is not illegal.
    "As far as I'm concerned he's still a major threat," the police chief said.
    The young man's father voluntarily turned over to police several legally registered weapons in the family's home, Sweigert said, and allowed police to take the 17-year-old out of school because of concern he could be a risk to himself and others.
    The New Jersey state police, FBI and the joint Terrorism Task Force are also participating in the investigation, authorities said

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    I would find a friend to take them first that had a safe or go to Dick's sporting goods and buy one.

    Not turning in my guns.
    I'll actually agree with you there, I think that's a better alternative.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    I would find a friend to take them first that had a safe or go to Dick's sporting goods and buy one.

    Not turning in my guns.
    Absolutely! I would not voluntarily surrender my firearms for any reason.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    joint Terrorism Task Force
    ??
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    The young man's father voluntarily turned over to police several legally registered weapons in the family's home, Sweigert said, and allowed police to take the 17-year-old out of school because of concern he could be a risk to himself and others.
    The New Jersey state police, FBI and the joint Terrorism Task Force are also participating in the investigation, authorities said

    Registered guns. He couldn't hide them, anyway, and with the FBI and NJSP involved, I'm sure lot's of "persuasion" was being applied to him. This is New Jersey, anyway, so he's considered some kind of psycho just for owning guns in the first place.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    The young man's father voluntarily turned over to police several legally registered weapons in the family's home, Sweigert said, and allowed police to take the 17-year-old out of school because of concern he could be a risk to himself and others.
    The New Jersey state police, FBI and the joint Terrorism Task Force are also participating in the investigation, authorities said

    Registered guns. He couldn't hide them, anyway, and with the FBI and NJSP involved, I'm sure lot's of "persuasion" was being applied to him. This is New Jersey, anyway, so he's considered some kind of psycho just for owning guns in the first place.
    Good point Tomahawk. Based on that I would like to add to my above statement:

    I also would not voluntarily live in New Jersey for any reason.


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    When I heard this story on the news, I was wondering how guilty the student is of anything criminal. From first-hand experience that I'd rather not get into, I'm confident that an interest in the military (or guns in general) is glorious fodder for the rumor mill of schools with a high percentage of sh**ple-children (lamble?). I'm not saying the kid is innocent, but the details in the story seem to consist entirely of hearsay.

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    "'I love combat and I love to kill,'" Sweigert quoted the young man as saying.
    Why does this remind me of: "... And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the seargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy.""
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
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    "'I love combat and I love to kill,'" Sweigert quoted the young man as saying.
    Why does this remind me of: "... And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the seargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy.""
    Alice's Restaurant by Woody Guthrie? Haven't heard that on the radio in at least 10 years.




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    Tomahawk wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
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    "'I love combat and I love to kill,'" Sweigert quoted the young man as saying.
    Why does this remind me of: "... And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the seargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy.""
    Alice's Restaurant by Woody Guthrie? Haven't heard that on the radio in at least 10 years.
    What the heck happened to my formatting???

    Anyway, sometimes I throw the CD in and play it in my office. It is doubly pleasurable as I enjoy the song (although not all the sentiments therein expressed) and it annoys the girls in the office which is payback for the hours of Kelly Clarkson and Bon Jovi to which I am subjected. I figured someone here would get the reference
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Authorities confiscated the student's notebooks and magazines, and found "something serious" in the contents, Sweigert said without providing details. However, he added, what the student had written is not illegal.
    Am I the only one bothered by this? The fact you can write something that is illegal?

    (in before "what about death threats?", etc.)
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    AbNo wrote:
    Authorities confiscated the student's notebooks and magazines, and found "something serious" in the contents, Sweigert said without providing details. However, he added, what the student had written is not illegal.
    Am I the only one bothered by this? The fact you can write something that is illegal?

    (in before "what about death threats?", etc.)
    Kind'a like gun law, what is not illegal is legal - except for reasonable infringing regulations.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    AbNo wrote:
    Authorities confiscated the student's notebooks and magazines, and found "something serious" in the contents, Sweigert said without providing details. However, he added, what the student had written is not illegal.
    Am I the only one bothered by this? The fact you can write something that is illegal?

    (in before "what about death threats?", etc.)
    Kind'a like gun law, what is not illegal is legal - except for reasonable infringing regulations.
    But isn't that really the problem now? The government behaves in a manner that if the law or constitution doesn't say it's illegal then it is legal for them whereas their approach to the citizenry is that if there is not a statute approving it, then it is illegal and they'll figure out a way to use some other law to punish you.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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