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thnycav wrote:
No the problem with the Universities as well as the lawmakers is they think if they can pass a law or make a regulation prohibiting something that the problem will go away. They treat the symptom not the problem.
I was just pointing out that in Israel most are armed and are members of the IDF. It is the training that is needed not just target training but urban warfare and situation training. I do have confidence that a vet would have such training and ability . Just having a permit for a concealed weapon does not give you the skills you need. If I was going to defend a school or building from such a treat with the training level of the students and facility I would consider more than just handguns. There is many non lethal devices on the market that will render the BG nonoperational without the need for that much skill. There are stun grenades and they are also working with sound that will case them to drop in their tracks and be easily subdued. Not as glamorous as a firefight but will do the job.
I understand your point, but I think it is fallacious. If the schools were being attacked by trained commandos/terrorists as does happen in Israel, I would agree with you to a much greater extent.
In the US, most of the situations to date are an armed nutcase against corralled, unarmed victims. These guys consistently shoot other people until faced with imminent resistence and then commit suicide. This isn't a case of true urban warfare.
-There will be usually 1, sometimes 2 shooters and the goal of the armed student is to either end the threat if possible, if not buy time to get out.
-What we have seen lately is that these murderers tend to be systematic. They are more executioners than anything. They go room to room, person to person.
-They are not typically highly skilled shooters, but rather minimally trained shooters with limited range time who, when highly effective, are using more execution type shooting against cowering or lined up humans.
This isn't about "defend[ing] a school or building from such a treat [sic]". This is about trying to save your own sorry a$$ and buy some time for some of your classmates to escape too, thereby saving lives. I think you have hit upon the misconception though that the faculty, administrators and politicians have and probably some (too many?) on the pro-carry side have too. This is not about getting into a shoot out, being Wyatt Earp and taking out the bad guy. If you have the angle to take the shot and can take out the BG great! If not, get him/her to put their head down long enough to get out of Dodge. I think that 2-3 students in a large class putting rounds anywhere close to the BG is going to distract the BG from systematically executing classmates. No special urban combat ops training required to shoot at a murderous douchebag standing in front of your classroom and executing your professor. I will 100% guarantee that everyone in that class is more vulnerable and has higher odds of being wounded or killed if there are 0 students carrying than if there is at least 1 student carrying in class.
-Edited for spelling error.
