Neplusultra
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rchjr wrote:
But the bottom line is there were armed men already "at" the scene. Trained or untrained this scenario is better than having to wait for someone armed to show up! Even if one or two innocents were shot by the wildly shooting untrained defender. The only other thing besides self-control that training may provide that is of significance is found in the example of the church shooting in Colorado where one trained civilian woman took out the shooter even though there were TWO other untrained male guards who had drawn on the shooter but were unwilling to shoot him. This shows a clear deficit of moral clarity of when it is right to shoot, something training (or self-thought/examination) would provide.
There are some other things that training could provide, such as tactics, but I think these are minor compared to controlled shooting and willingness to shoot.
rchjr wrote:
Almost sounds like the Appalachian School of Law shooting. Many different testimonies of what actually happened. Hard to say what the truth is, sitting in this chair.After checking the news feeds from isreal, I saw that according to govt sources the shooter was first shot by the IDF reservist who responded from home to the sounds of gunfire and shot the gunman putting him down but not killing him. Another armed student also responded to the gunshots and found the shooter still alive and finished the job. The students statement and the govt's differ on who shot the gunman first. Who knows. At least the gunman got justice served. I couldn't get all the links, it took a pretty length of time to track down the news feeds out of isreal.
But the bottom line is there were armed men already "at" the scene. Trained or untrained this scenario is better than having to wait for someone armed to show up! Even if one or two innocents were shot by the wildly shooting untrained defender. The only other thing besides self-control that training may provide that is of significance is found in the example of the church shooting in Colorado where one trained civilian woman took out the shooter even though there were TWO other untrained male guards who had drawn on the shooter but were unwilling to shoot him. This shows a clear deficit of moral clarity of when it is right to shoot, something training (or self-thought/examination) would provide.
There are some other things that training could provide, such as tactics, but I think these are minor compared to controlled shooting and willingness to shoot.