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Newport News - tonight - attendees needed - ask Kaine about SB 476/776

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Newport News - tonight - attendees needed - ask Kaine about SB 476/776
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From: Philip Van Cleave

Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:57 AM

Subject: VA-ALERT: Let's ask Kaine about SB 476/776 tonight!

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Governor Kaine is going to be in Newport News TONIGHT (Wed, March
12th) for a "town hall meeting"! He will be back on March 19th in
Norfolk.

The information about the meeting is below in the Daily Press article.

The Daily Press is suggesting the following question on guns: "In the
wake of the Virginia Tech tragedy, why is it still impossible to close
the gun show loophole, or pass any meaningful gun reform legislation?"

Hmmmm - SB 476 (restaurant concealed carry for CHP holders) and SB 436
(locked container) were both "gun reform legislation," so, I agree -
we need to ask the Governor.

I would suggest you ask this:

"You signed SB 776, which allows OFF-DUTY Commonwealth Attorneys and
their deputies, none of whom have any required firearms training, to
carry a concealed handgun in restaurants that serve alcohol AND
DRINK. But you VETOED SB 476, which would have allowed law-abiding
concealed handgun permit holders, all of whom HAVE firearms training,
to be able to carry a concealed handgun in a restaurant, NOT DRINK,
and NOTIFY the restaurant of their presence. Since you claimed that
"alcohol and guns don't mix" as justification for your veto of SB 476,
how do you explain your support for SB 776, which unlike SB 476,
actually DOES allow alcohol and guns to mix?"

We would all LOVE to hear that answer! Hopefully we can get a
recording of the meeting.

Do NOT let the Governor try to cop out by blaming the strong support
for SB 776 in the House and Senate. SB 476 and SB 436 both had strong
support, too, but he vetoed them anyway.

If that question gets asked by someone, then ask,

"Since a gun in a locked container was NOT considered concealed for
one hundred years in Virginia and a bad judicial ruling changed that
in the 1990's, why did you VETO SB 436, which would have put the law
back where it had been before that erroneous ruling? By definition,
how can a gun in a LOCKED container be a threat to law enforcement or
anyone else, for that matter?"

http://tinyurl.com/yqh2tc

Ask the governor
Tonight's town hall meeting in Newport News is for you
March 12, 2008

Tonight in Newport News, in the first week of his round-the-state
series of town hall meetings, Gov. Tim Kaine will listen to the
public's questions and comments on this year's General Assembly
session, now reconvened, and the 2008-2010 budget, the details of
which are still being fine-tuned. Anyone who's been following the
doings, undoings and nondoings of this year's Assembly will most
likely have their own questions about what's been achieved in yet
another spill-over legislative session.

But here are some suggestions for the gubernatorial quiz, just in case:

...

• Guns. In the wake of the Virginia Tech tragedy, why is it still
impossible to close the gun show loophole, or pass any meaningful gun
reform legislation?

...

Want to go?

Gov. Tim Kaine will take questions from the public at a town hall
meeting from 6:30 p.m. to 8 p.m. tonight at Warwick High School, 51
Copeland Lane, Newport News. No sign-in is required to attend or ask
questions.

The governor will be in the area for another public meeting next week,
from 6 to 7:30 p.m. Wednesday, March 19, at the Virginia Wesleyan
College Dining Center, 1584 Wesleyan Drive, Norfolk.

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I can't make it, but I submitted my question via his website. Hope we can flood his inbox with these questions. There is no doubt in my mind that I will get a cookie cutter response from a staffer, but maybe the pure volume will send a message.
 

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Kaine is a ******* hypocrite. Veto the two CCW bills, yet sign these into law that goes againse what he just was saying ("Guns and alcohol dont mix)
 

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Agent19 wrote:
I modified this a little bit and sent it to the Governor:

You signed SB 776, which allows OFF-DUTY Commonwealth Attorneys and their deputies, none of whom have any required firearms training, to carry a concealed handgun in restaurants that serve alcohol AND DRINK. But you VETOED SB 476, which would have allowed law-abiding concealed handgun permit holders, all of whom HAVE firearms training, to be able to carry a concealed handgun in a restaurant, NOT DRINK, and NOTIFY the restaurant of their presence. Since you claimed that "alcohol and guns don't mix" as justification for your veto of SB 476, how do you explain your support for SB 776, which unlike SB 476, actually DOES allow alcohol and guns to mix?
 

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nova wrote:
Kaine is a ******* hypocrite. Veto the two CCW bills, yet sign these into law that goes againse what he just was saying ("Guns and alcohol dont mix)
Everyone is equal. Some are just more equal than others.
 

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More Kaine town hall meetings!

If any of you want to attend the other town hall meetings that Kaine is having, here are the dates and locations. Kaine needs to hear us and take heat for what he has done to gun owners.

We do NOT deserve the treatment he is giving us.

Be sure your questions are always polite, but don't confuse polite with being tough and tenacious. And cut him no slack in his answers.

If you can record the meeting, please do so.

Thanks to EM Dennis Fusaro for the meeting information:

Town Hall: Newport News
Wednesday March 12, 2008
6:30 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.
Warwick High School
51 Copeland Lane
Newport News, Virginia

Town Hall: Roanoke
Monday March 17, 2008
6:30 p.m.- 8:00 p.m.
Patrick Henry High School- Auditorium
2102 Grandin Road Southwest
Roanoke, Virginia

Town Hall: Norfolk
Wednesday March 19, 2008
6:00 p.m.- 7:30 p.m.
Virginia Wesleyan College- Dining Center
1584 Wesleyan Drive
Norfolk, Virginia

Town Hall: Front Royal
Thursday March 20, 2008
6:00 p.m. – 7:30 p.m.
Skyline High School- Cafeteria
151 Skyline Vista Drive
Front Royal, Virginia

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Also, I will be on WRVA (AM 1140, Richmond http://www.wrva.com) tomorrow (Thursday), at 5 PM. Other media sources are picking up on the story.

Kaine is claiming that Commonwealth attorney's can't carry concealed in restaurants. That of course is a lie. They are now listed in 18.2-308 B, which exempts them from all the concealed carry code except J1, which says that can't carry drunk.
 

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D'oh.

The Commonwealth Attorneys have passed the BAR exam.

Of course they can drink and carry.

{/scarcasm} - Just in case it wasn't clear


I sent this to the Post. It will likely not be printed:
"Editor: Governor Kaine recently vetoed SB 476, which would have permitted law-abiding citizens to conceal their handguns in restaurants that serve alcohol, providing they did not drink and providing they notified a staff member they were carrying. (This differs from today's law, where one must carry openly or not at all.) These are citizens who have passed firearms training and an extensive background check.

Governor Kaine, on the other hand, signed SB 776, which permits Commonwealth Attorneys or their deputies to carry concealed weapons into restaurants that serve alcohol. They are not prohibited from drinking, nor must they notify anyone they are armed. These are (presumably) citizens who have passed a bar exam.

I don't really undersatnd how passing a bar exam qualifies someone to drink and carry, but apparently Governor Kaine does. Perhaps he doesn't really understand the term "bar exam."
 

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its all aBOUT WHO GIVES HIM THE MOST MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 

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why was this not told in the news as much as the other was?you can fool some of the people some of the time,but not all the peopleall of the time!!!!!!!!!
 

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Anyone planning on going to the Norfolk Town Hall & posing a question?

I've got class (NOT at VA Weslyan) Wednesday nights :-(
 
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