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    http://www.lakelandmirror.com/media/...-3268903.shtml

    Due to the recent school shootings at Northern Illinois University (NIU) and Virginia Tech a lot of debates have been sparked about school safety. Some students believe they would feel safer if allowed to carry concealed weapons. They argue that if they can carry them around town, why should college be any different? Lakeland, like many schools K-12 and beyond, has a ban on firearms.

    The Lakeland student handbook says, "Possession and/or use of fire arms,
    including, but not limited to ammunition, bb guns, stun guns, rifles, bows, bayonets, knives, switchblades, martial arts weapons, air soft guns, sling shots, and paint pellet guns are not permitted on campus. Students guilty of these violation will be dealt with severely."

    Jason Wilson, Lakeland's director of campus security, said, "We understand that students hunt and own guns. We make concessions for them. We are happy to escort them and their gun to the gun safe in the security office. I am the only person with a key. We also check that the students are lawfully in possession of the firearms. Any violations will be punished on an escalating scale that leads to expulsion. There are also criminal charges on top of the Lakeland punishment. In the wake of school shootings, the police take any firearm violation extremely serious."

    Groups have sprung up across cyber space, the largest being Students for Concealed Carry on Campus on Facebook, which now has 20,310 members. The group is currently protesting by wearing empty gun holsters to class throughout the spring.

    In a "USA Today" interview, the group's leader, W. Scott Lewis, said, "I felt defenseless, and it started to bug me, especially with all the school shootings. We're not talking about convincing people to get licenses, we're talking about people who already have their licenses. And for the most part, they are older students."

    The student outcry has prompted 12 states to consider concealed weapons on campus. Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, and Washington all have bills in debate. Utah is the only state that currently allows permit holders to carry guns on all public campuses.

    Lakeland, like the rest of the country, is divided on whether guns on campus would be a positive or negative force on campus.

    Senior Crystal Iverson said, "Hell no. There is no reason for students to carry firearms. It would just be scary."

    Judy Schneider, a senior, said, "I don't see guns on campus as a bad thing, as long as the people have the training and skill to carry them safely. I think we should concentrate on gun education rather than gun control."

    Wilson said it is a bad idea to have students carry guns on campus. "Students should trust that from President Gould to security that we have everything under control," he said. "We are in constant contact with the local police and sheriff. Security may not be armed, but we are trained to handle all kinds of situations. If we all carry guns, we run the risk of becoming a vigilante society and lose our sense justice."

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    Wilson said it is a bad idea to have students carry guns on campus. "Students should trust that from President Gould to security that we have everything under control," he said. "We are in constant contact with the local police and sheriff. Security may not be armed, but we are trained to handle all kinds of situations. If we all carry guns, we run the risk of becoming a vigilante society and lose our sense justice."
    Has this guy been butt snorkeling all his life? "Handling" a situation is not picking up the dead bodies afterward.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    The Lakeland student handbook says, "Possession and/or use of fire arms,
    including, but not limited to ammunition, bb guns, stun guns, rifles, bows, bayonets, knives, switchblades, martial arts weapons, air soft guns, sling shots, and paint pellet guns are not permitted on campus. Students guilty of these violation will be dealt with severely."
    No pocket knives?

    Has there been some accidental bayonettings that they are trying to prevent? [sarcasm off]

    Better make sure there are no shells or bullet casings laying on the car floor or in one of your pockets...

    Will be "dealt with" most severely? What the hell does that mean.. Parenting?

    Unbelievable...
    Peace through superior firepower

    Luke 11:21
    "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

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    Doug Huffmanposted the quote:
    SNIP "...If we all carry guns, we run the risk of becoming a vigilante society and lose our sense justice."
    Words fail me.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    I saw that but expected it from a student journalist with no editor.

    Is it more legitimate to notice such there than here?

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    If we all carry guns, we run the risk of becoming a vigilante society and lose our sense justice."
    If this is true then I would wonder how this country ever got started, much less made it thru the late 1700's and 1800's. Maybe he could explain that one to me.

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    smithman wrote:
    If this is true then I would wonder how this country ever got started, much less made it thru the late 1700's and 1800's. Maybe he could explain that one to me.
    Remember that UW colleges teach "we" wrongfully stole land from the native tribes, and don't teach that a large amount of settlers wanted to peaceably co-exist. (I admit that overall we make pretty horrible guests.)

    Guns alone did not win the war. If the UW system should find fault with anything it is government policy, as that was the driving force. Of course, they can't find fault with that, because they preach big government is the answer.

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