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    Anyone else have issues involving the State Police while OCing here in Indiana County?

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    Nope . . . I've never OCed in Indiana before . . . in general what is up with the State Police?

    I've recently started OCing on business between Pittsburgh and Meadville along I-79 and I always wonder what will the troopers say if they see me OCing during rest stop breaks.

    I always get a chuckle when the Canadians see me carrying a pistol at my side.

    Lots of looks at the urinals too ;-) Checking out my gun!

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    I carry at Borough Council meetings, literally at the junction of Cambria, Clearfield and Indiana counties. Seeing State Police this far out from the barracks (whether Ebensburg, Clearfield or Indiana) is a rare sight.

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    Hm. Maybe it's just Indiana itself then.

    Borough police only have jurisdiction through a small part of town, and the State Police are the main police force through the rest of it, so they respond to most things.

    If you've read my accounts of my encounters with the State Police (I'm sure Statkowski has, over on PAFOA) you'll understand why I ask.

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    What you say might well be true. Of course, at my age, I don't look like a "college kid" in a college town, which may also have a bearing on your past experiences.
    I always get a chuckle when the Canadians see me carrying a pistol at my side.

    Lots of looks at the urinals too ;-) Checking out my gun!

    Are you sure they're checking out your gun? Do they have urinals in Canada?

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    Farmer Troy wrote:
    I always get a chuckle when the Canadians see me carrying a pistol at my side.
    Back in January, I went into a rest stop with my empty holster for my .44 magnum revolver (7.5" barrel), and this one couple saw it and looked absolutely petrified... I thought one of them was going to have a heart attack. As I was going back out to my car, I saw them getting into a vehicle with Quebec plates...


    I got a ton of other scared looks from other people... I couldn't figure it out until I looked at the plates, and most of them were from DPRNY and DPRNJ. Hit pay dirt on that stop.

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    They may have drawn the conclusion "Empty holster = Gun in hand/elsewhere" too

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    Farmer Troy wrote:
    Lots of looks at the urinals too ;-) Checking out my gun!
    Hope you don't mind me sharing my thoughts...

    When I stop at a public bathroom I always go into a stall and lock the door behind me - I just have no desire to be caught with my pants down!

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    Share away . . . your thoughts are just as good as mine . . .

    I don't use a stall unless I am literally pulling my pants down to sit.

    When I use the urinal, I unzip but not unbelt, so I am not caught with any less readiness than normal . . . pants never come down.

    Anyways, enough with the bathroom talk . . .

    Happy Spring everyone, Farmer Troy

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    Why wouldn't you "suggest it?" It seems to me that if the cops are giving OCers trouble in Indiana that that means you need to do it MORE, not less, until they learn the law. A few open carry dinners in Indiana might be a good idea.

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    Original poster had a not-too-pleasant experience with PSP due to his open carrying. Indiana, Pa. is a college town, with enough problems created by drunk/rowdy/immature college students. Original poster is of college age. PSP undoubtedly assumed they were dealing with "one of them." Haven't heard of any incidents with older folk but, then again, you don't see much open carrying in and around town.

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    Whether or not he was "one of them" is irrelevant to the police violating his rights.

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    And there,one and all, isthe conflict between theory and reality. Were they wrong? Yes. Might have it all have been handled differently with an older open carrier? Quite possibly.

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    Statkowski wrote:
    And there,one and all, isthe conflict between theory and reality. Were they wrong? Yes. Might have it all have been handled differently with an older open carrier? Quite possibly.

    If you think the age of majority should be raised to 21 or 25 from 18, that is a different issue. If we are citizens at 18, the Constitution protects us at that age. Whims, whatever their grounds, are not enough to violate the 4th and 2nd Amendments.


    Anyway, sounds like Indiana needs more open carrying, by college students or otherwise.


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    Sorry if I sound like I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, but, like it or not, appearance (which includes age)does count. In a college town, if you're of college age, you'll be viewed as "one of them," not "one of us," whether you're a student or not. And in a college town, where stupid kids have been known to do stupid things, their stupid actions make life just a little bit more difficult for those of the same age grouping that aren't doing stupid things. That's reality, that's human nature - that doesn't make such right, but that's the way it is.

    A little while ago a deranged individual went and shot up a college. At that same college wereother students who wanted to have the lawful right to carry concealed firearms for self defense. Did those in charge listen to reasonable, well-thought-out discussions on the subject? No, they focused on the inappropriate actions of one individual. Was that right? No. Was it to be expected? Of course.

    Do I open carry in Indiana Borough and its surrounding suburbs? No, but that's because I don't go to Indiana except for employment (and my employer would seriously frown on open carry at work). I don't shop there, I don't go drinking there, I don't go socializing there. Twenty-five miles away where I live, however, is another story.

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    Statkowski wrote:
    Sorry if I sound like I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, but, like it or not, appearance (which includes age)does count. In a college town, if you're of college age, you'll be viewed as "one of them," not "one of us," whether you're a student or not.
    Then maybe we need to make sure that more college students open carry in Indiana if the police have a problem upholding the rights of college students.

    I hear what you're saying. The police will overreact and violate that person's rights. That's when you file a Freedom of Information Act request, file a complaint and follow up on it. Do that 4-5 times and I guarantee the police will get the idea.

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    Agreed. I think the college might be having an "empty holster" day coming up.

    Actually, as far as schools go, IUP isn't as "liberal" as others, and appears to have an open mind (their school paper had a decent editorial not too long ago about concealed carry and such).

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    ama-gi wrote:
    Statkowski wrote:
    Sorry if I sound like I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, but, like it or not, appearance (which includes age)does count. In a college town, if you're of college age, you'll be viewed as "one of them," not "one of us," whether you're a student or not.
    Then maybe we need to make sure that more college students open carry in Indiana if the police have a problem upholding the rights of college students.

    I hear what you're saying. The police will overreact and violate that person's rights. That's when you file a Freedom of Information Act request, file a complaint and follow up on it. Do that 4-5 times and I guarantee the police will get the idea.
    Filed the FOIA request, they told me that what I requested was only available via subpoena. Filed a complaint with the local barracks, the commissioner of the PSP... crap, and a third one, I can't remember where it went, it's been a while now... The response I got was this: http://www.songofthewinds.com/PSPResponse.jpg

    Frankly, I'm not looking forward to going through it again, even to "win" in the end. It's bad enough that they already have a file on me (The second time I dealt with the PSP the trooper came back from running my info and started in on me about the first time I was stopped while open carrying) started.

    Plus, I can't afford a lawyer if they try and push for a conviction on any grounds.

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    Statkowski wrote:
    Agreed. I think the college might be having an "empty holster" day coming up.

    Actually, as far as schools go, IUP isn't as "liberal" as others, and appears to have an open mind (their school paper had a decent editorial not too long ago about concealed carry and such).

    April 21st through the 25th, nationwide

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2383535699 / www.concealedcampus.org

    I'm the Campus Leader for SCCC at IUP, though I'm still working on getting everything together, getting flyers ready, etc. Should be all set to go by the end of the week. (Yes, I'm slow. Sue me. :P)

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    Aran wrote:
    ama-gi wrote:
    Statkowski wrote:
    Sorry if I sound like I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, but, like it or not, appearance (which includes age)does count. In a college town, if you're of college age, you'll be viewed as "one of them," not "one of us," whether you're a student or not.
    Then maybe we need to make sure that more college students open carry in Indiana if the police have a problem upholding the rights of college students.

    I hear what you're saying. The police will overreact and violate that person's rights. That's when you file a Freedom of Information Act request, file a complaint and follow up on it. Do that 4-5 times and I guarantee the police will get the idea.
    Filed the FOIA request, they told me that what I requested was only available via subpoena. Filed a complaint with the local barracks, the commissioner of the PSP... crap, and a third one, I can't remember where it went, it's been a while now... The response I got was this: http://www.songofthewinds.com/PSPResponse.jpg

    Frankly, I'm not looking forward to going through it again, even to "win" in the end. It's bad enough that they already have a file on me (The second time I dealt with the PSP the trooper came back from running my info and started in on me about the first time I was stopped while open carrying) started.

    Plus, I can't afford a lawyer if they try and push for a conviction on any grounds.
    What would they possibly charge you with? So what that the officer didn't like that you didn't obey him. His job is to enforce the law, not tell people how to live their lives.

    What exactly did you ask for in the FOIA?

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    Lowered my standards and drove my wife to Indiana to visit Wally World.

    Blue jeans, Vietnam Vet baseball cap, regular collared shirt, tucked in, Hi-Point C-9 Compact in a Fobus holster on my right hip, spare magazine on the back of my belt.

    Wandered all around Wally World, picked up some 115-grain FMJ and 147-grain JHP ammo, tracked down my wife in the food section, and filled up the cart accordingly.

    Nobody followed me around. Nobody said anything. For that matter, I don't even know if anybody noticed anything.

    Handed the older sales clerk at the sporting goods counter a PAFOA Pennsylvania Gun Rights pamphlet. He appreciated it.

    It's too warm outside for concealed carry.

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    Today I took my sister in-law down to Johnstown to catch the train back to Connecticut. All the time she's been here she never commented once about my open carry, not that I went out much with her (picked her up at the train station OCing, had dinner in a local restaurant yesterday OCing, and dropped her off at the train station OCing) - my wife did most of the running around.

    Today I stopped at Sheetz in Carrolltown for gas, OCing of course, then it was down to Johnstown. Got there ten minutes early, the train was an hour late. So, we spent the hour up on the platform watching trains and talking with people (fairly crowded, too).

    One eight-year-old boy noticed my pistol and immediately had to tell me all about the guns his grandfather had, plus his very own BB gun. When the train finally arrived, one of the Trainmen wanted to know if I was carrying a "Gluck" (yes, that's what he said). I gave him a Pa. Firearms Rights flyer.

    One more stop at Sheetz in Carrolltown on the way home, this time for coffee, then a stop at the First Commonwealth Bank for some money (a legal withdrawal, of course). Chatted with the tellers.

    Uneventful open carry. Nobody shot, nobody with bladder-control problems, no urgent 911 calls, no SWAT teams surrounding me.

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    Borough Council meeting tonight (I'm Council President). As with last month, nobody mentioned a word about my open carry. Our local newspaper reporter didn't even notice it until it was pointed out to her (my Hi-Point C9 is kind of hard to miss with Desert Tan grips). No, she's not going to mention it in the newspaper write-up of the meeting. I informed her about Kirkwood, Missouri and the council meeting gone bad; she agreed with my reason for carrying. Nope, no police presence at our council meeting, either.

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    Hey, do me a favor and PM me the next time there's a council meeting, I'd like to attend one (mostly for the experience), and one with someone I "know" there would be a lot more comfortable to me.

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    OC today in Indiana, Went to Fire Moutain for dinner with my wife. Noissues but 1 question as to where someone could get training gave them contact info and Pa Gun Rightsflier. I'm a certified instructor. Then went to Lowes to get some fruit trees (Time for fall planting) and look around for about an hour and a half. No issues a few looks. Then to WallyWorld for groceries and other supplies took about 2 hrs. Again no issues.

    Guess the folks are getting used to me in Indiana, Pa

    All in all a non issue day.

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