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    VA-ALERT: Lies or obfuscation?

    Date:
    3/19/2008 10:17:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time

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    VCDL has some video from tonight's town hall meeting with Governor
    Kaine in Norfolk.

    In that video (link is below), the Governor says point blank that SB
    776, which he signed, does NOT let Commonwealth Attorneys carry
    concealed in restaurants and drink! He tries to cloud the issue by
    talking about only "sworn law enforcement" being able to carry in
    restaurants and drink. But the law says nothing about having to be
    sworn to do so.

    The Governor graduated from HARVARD. He should know how to read basic
    laws and understand them.

    So, he is either trying to mislead the public about signing SB 776,
    while vetoing SB 476, because it doesn't fit his mindless mantra about
    "guns and alcohol not mixing" OR he needs to send his diploma back to
    Harvard and never practice law again.

    Thanks to Bruce Finkelstein for asking the Governor the question and
    sending me the video.

    Bruce said that another gun owner didn't let Kaine get away with that
    answer and confronted him on the statement about Commonwealth
    Attorneys not being able to carry and drink in restaurants shortly
    after the video ends. Unfortunately, Bruce didn't capture that
    exchange on video :-(

    The Governor said that the State Police told him that signing SB 476
    would not be a good idea! I will say this again: the State Police
    were specifically asked in the Senate Courts of Justice if they
    opposed SB 476 and the State Police said that they "take no position
    on the bill." They have NEVER taken a position on the repeal over the
    years.

    Perhaps the Governor ordered the State Police to tell him that they
    opposed the bill. Nothing would surprise me after hearing the ABC
    oppose SB 476 on "behalf of the Administration."

    If you watch the Governor's body language in the video, you will see
    that he was not happy about addressing the SB 776/SB 476 debacle.

    Well, he shouldn't be. He tried to play gun owners for suckers and
    got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

    Kaine does not know VCDL well, but he should. We are NOT going to let
    go until Kaine admits he was wrong about Commonwealth Attorneys not
    being able to carry concealed handguns in restaurants and drink. We
    want an apology for his actions on SB 776 and SB 476 and a promise to
    support a restaurant ban repeal next year.

    In the meantime, let's flood your local newspapers with LTEs on Kaine
    not understanding the gun bills he is signing. Let's have LTEs that
    talk about how Kaine said he doesn't believe that "guns and alcohol
    mix," but then signs a bill that lets untrained, off-duty,
    Commonwealth Attorneys carry concealed in restaurants and drink, while
    vetoing a bill that would have let concealed handgun permit holders
    carry concealed in restaurants as long as they DIDN'T drink.

    Let's turn the heat up and keep things nice and hot for the Governor!

    Here is the video:

    http://www.vcdl.org/media/Kaine031908.wmv

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    (Thursday) at 8 PM. Location and more information is on the VCDL
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    Oh yea - there will be some e-mail and letters heading Kaine's way ! ! !

    So . . . it's my understanding that Kaine's feeling is that guns and alcohol don't mix. Okay. But . . . law enforecment CAN carry concealed into establishments that serve alcohol AND drink while carrying concealed. Now the C A's cancarry concealed into those same places. What's to stop them from drinking ? ? Nothing says they have to inform a "designated individual" that they are carrying concealed. By carrying concealed, no one will know they're armed - so they CAN carry concealed AND drink with no problems. Law enforcementexiststo enforce the laws and C A'sexist to prosecute offenders of the law - both of which can drink alcohol WHILE carrying concealed. But I can't . . . . Where is the logic in that ? ?



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    Do you really expect anything different from a liberal democrap? I would be more surprised if he told the truth.

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    coastie wrote:
    Oh yea - there will be some e-mail and letters heading Kaine's way ! ! !

    So . . . it's my understanding that Kaine's feeling is that guns and alcohol don't mix. Okay. But . . . law enforecment CAN carry concealed into establishments that serve alcohol AND drink while carrying concealed. Now the C A's cancarry concealed into those same places. What's to stop them from drinking ? ? Nothing says they have to inform a "designated individual" that they are carrying concealed. By carrying concealed, no one will know they're armed - so they CAN carry concealed AND drink with no problems. Law enforcementexiststo enforce the laws and C A'sexist to prosecute offenders of the law - both of which can drink alcohol WHILE carrying concealed. But I can't . . . . Where is the logic in that ? ?

    CA's, like LEOs, are NOT PROHIBITED from drinking. Those listed in 18.2-308 B (where LEOs and CA's are listed) are totally exempt from all of the concealed carry laws including J3 (restaurants). The only thing they are not exempt from is J1 (being drunk while carrying a concealed handgun).


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    VCDL President wrote:
    coastie wrote: CA's, like LEOs, are NOT PROHIBITED from drinking. Those listed in 18.2-308 B (where LEOs and CA's are listed) are totally exempt from all of the concealed carry laws including J3 (restaurants). The only thing they are not exempt from is J1 (being drunk while carrying a concealed handgun).
    But - para C allows them to be drunk as part of their official duties in restaurants.

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    does va.have a signed emergency powers bill?we may should have one if we dont.

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    Recent email from our Gov.






    Email from the Office of the Governor‏

    From:
    Governor@governor.virginia.gov

    Sent:
    Mon 3/24/08 11:53 AM

    To:
    XXXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com



    Dear Friend:



    Thank you for contacting the Office of the Governor. I greatly appreciate your input regarding Senate Bill 776, which allows assistant Commonwealth's attorneys to carry concealed weapons without a permit, and Senate Bill 476, which would allow concealed weapons to be carried into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.



    I vetoed SB 476 because I believe that mixing alcohol and firearms is dangerous. I support the right of law-abiding citizens to own and carry firearms; however, allowing concealed weapons into restaurants and bars that serve alcohol puts the public, restaurant employees, and our public safety officers at risk. Contrary to some inaccurate information that has recently been circulating, SB 776 does not allow assistant Commonwealth's attorneys to carry their concealed weapons in bars. In light of this difference, I saw no reason to oppose this bill.



    It is important to me that every Virginian's voice is heard, and it is very valuable to know the concerns across the Commonwealth. Again, thank you for your input and feel free to contact my office in the future.

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    [size=Sincerely,][/size]

    [size=Timothy M. Kaine][/size]

    [size=Governor][/size]
    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


    ~Alan Korwin

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    I got the exact same "Form Letter" from him in response to an email I sent him.....



    Click on the link below to see the response I sent him....

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...4&t=302594

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    Kaine just told another tall tale on WTOP's "Ask the Governor" program. Kainerestated his line about there beig some distinction between law enforcement and sworn law enforcement. This Harvard Law grad is out of control.

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    Is this one of those things where the Gov never actually read the thing and is relying on some aide to tell him what it says? I just can't imagine that the governor of a state is dumb enough to continue stating that when a class is clearly, plane language exempted from a statute that they are still subject to that statute.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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