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    KENNER, La. — The cake had been served and the children were jumping up and down in a big, inflatable castle when the birthday party turned to bedlam.
    Clarence McGraw's jaw dropped as he saw the visitors coming, guns drawn. The screaming began.
    Children ran everywhere in the courtyard of the low-income apartment complex; adults fell to the ground. Bullets flew. The killers wounded three youngsters, but for reasons police can't explain, it was 19-year-old McGraw they were after.
    As McGraw lay in the center of the green square, the gunmen stood over him and fired again. He was shot 15 to 20 times in all.
    The Sept. 15 killing was remarkable in that it took place in the most innocent of settings — the fifth birthday of twin boys. But it was unremarkable in that one of the guns brandished was an AK-47-type rifle — a powerful, rapid-fire weapon that has long been used in Third World conflicts but is increasingly being used in American street fights.
    Figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, obtained by The Associated Press through public records requests, show a marked increase in the number of AK-type weapons traced and entered into the agency's computer database because they had been seized or connected to a crime.
    /**/ The number of such tracings rose even while the federal assault weapons ban was in effect and has continued to climb since its expiration.
    Since 1993, the year before the ban took affect, ATF has recorded a more than sevenfold increase in 7.62x39mm guns — which includes the original Russian-made AK-47 and a variety of copycats from around the world. The number of AK-type guns rose from 1,140 in 1993 to 8,547 last year.
    Since 2005, the first full year after the ban's expiration, ATF has recorded an 11 percent increase in such tracings.
    ATF says the increases in the first half of the 1990s are partly the result of wider usage of its weapons database by local law enforcement agencies. But after that point, the numbers reflect a real increase in tracings of AK-type guns, the agency acknowledged.
    The numbers corroborate what police chiefs around the country have been saying: AKs and other so-called assault weapons are terrorizing their communities and endangering their officers.
    The numbers are reflected in some of the most horrifying violence of the past year, including a deadly shooting rampage at a department store in Omaha, Neb.
    They're reflected in the growing number of police forces equipping their officers with higher-powered guns to match the bad guys' firepower.
    And they're reflected in a single 72-hour period in September that started with the shooting of four Miami-area officers and ended here, in a drab apartment complex just outside New Orleans.
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    On Thursday, Sept. 13, Jose Somohano, a 37-year-old officer with the Miami-Dade Police, was cut down during a traffic stop in suburban Miami by a man with an AK-type weapon. Three other officers — armed, like Somohano, with just handguns — were wounded, one of them suffering a bullet wound the size of a grapefruit in her leg.
    By midnight, the gunman, Shawn LaBeet, had been shot to death by police after a huge manhunt.
    Police have refused to say how many times Somohano was hit or how many shell casings were found.
    The officer's wife, Elizabeth Somohano, had gone off to her job at an insurance company earlier that day, and just before noon, Jose's sister reached her at the office. "Have you heard?" she asked. Something was going on in the area Jose patrolled.
    Elizabeth called his cell. She text-messaged him, over and over. She called her kids to see if they had heard from him. She checked the Internet to find out what was happening, and learned that officers had been shot and a gunman was on the loose.
    A colleague of Jose's — one of his closest friends — called Elizabeth and told her to stay put. He showed up at her office, and when their eyes met, he broke into tears.
    "He didn't make it," he told her. She screamed.
    Later, she took some comfort in knowing that her husband had eaten lunch that day, which meant he must have seen the hot-pink note she had slipped into his lunch bag along with his chicken salad-on-pita sandwich: "I love you, macho man."
    Days before the ambush, Miami Police Chief John Timoney agreed to let patrol officers carry assault rifles to help counter the use of such weapons by criminals. John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association, pleaded for the same for officers in the Miami-Dade department, which protects more than 1.4 million people around the city.
    "It's almost like we have water pistols," he said.
    For years, only SWAT teams and the like carried AR-15s or similarly powerful weapons. But police forces nationwide have increased their firepower to match the criminals' arsenal — not only in urban areas such as Miami and Los Angeles, but in Waterloo, Iowa, Stillwater, Okla., Danbury, Conn., and Merced, Calif.
    "We're in an arms race," said Police Chief Scott Knight of Chaska, Minn., chairman of the firearms committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police.
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    On Friday, Sept. 14, along the Tigris River outside Baghdad, an alleged Shiite extremist linked to roadside bombings was taken into custody with his AK-47s and grenades. In Afghanistan, in villages south of Kabul, troops arrested three suspected Taliban militants and confiscated their weapons, including their AKs. And in Sydney, Australia, a former soldier pleaded guilty to gunning down a photographer with an AK in a contract killing.
    With AK-47-type guns used in wars and insurrections all over the world, some 250,000 people are said to be killed by such weapons each year, and more than 75 million are believed to be in existence. In Iraq alone, congressional investigators estimate 110,000 AKs bought by the U.S. for security forces there cannot be accounted for.
    The AK was designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov and went into production in 1947, with its name standing for Avtomat Kalashnikova and the year.
    "Once the Wall fell, these guns were everywhere," said Carlos Baixauli, an agent with ATF.
    Kalashnikov, who is now 88 and still lives in Russia, has said he is proud of his invention but saddened it's been used by terrorists. He said he wishes he had invented something like a lawnmower.
    Bullets fired by AK-47s travel at a higher velocity than those from many other weapons, and can do grievous damage to the body. Often they have enough energy to pass clear through.
    Knockoffs of the AK can be bought from legitimate gun dealers for as little as $300, and are also available on the street. Original Russian-made models are more expensive. Normal ammo clips hold 30 rounds, but higher-capacity ones are also available.
    Most of the AKs on American streets are semiautomatic, meaning they fire as fast as the gunman can squeeze the trigger. Fully automatic ones, common on the battlefield, require just one pull of the trigger to release a burst of fire.
    A 2004 study by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence concluded the U.S. ban on AKs and other guns was successful, saying in the five years before its passage, assault weapons made up 4.82 percent of ATF crime gun traces, compared with 1.61 percent between 1995 and 2003.
    Many politicians, police chiefs and gun control advocates point to the expiration of the assault weapons ban as a reason for the spread of the guns. But many others argue the law was so riddled with loopholes that it had little effect.
    The National Rifle Association says the focus must be getting criminals off the streets, not more legislation.
    "The basic reason why gun control laws fail is that they require the cooperation of a very unlikely source, and that is criminals," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "Each time you pass a gun control law, the only people that are going to be affected by that law, the only people that are going to follow that law are law-abiding Americans."
    ———
    On Saturday, Sept. 15, at the Glenwood Apartments in Kenner, Trinioucka Martin rose early and cooked all morning for her twin boys' birthday party — meatballs, fried chicken, baked macaroni, sandwiches. She had already ordered a cake with the youngsters' picture on it, hired a DJ, and rented the inflatable castle and house.
    McGraw woke up at his aunt's house across a highway from the apartment complex and had a hankering for something sweet. He wanted some cake.
    At the party, after the crowd had dispersed and the officers arrived, McGraw lay dead on the ground near a sewer grate, his torso and lower body riddled with bullet wounds. Balloons still floated from ribbon; the "Happy Birthday" banner still hung.
    No arrests have been made. McGraw was buried in a $450 grave against a chain-link fence in a crumbling New Orleans cemetery. The mound of dirt above his casket is littered with rocks and bone fragments and teeth. There was no money for a marker.


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    "AK-47-Type Guns Are Turning Up in U.S. More Often." Hell yeah. And they're ending up in my closet.

    Bought my first in January, another at the beginning of March, another a week later, and I'm looking to pick up a few more in the coming weeks...

    In all seriousness, though, the story is filled with so many blatant lies it's sickening. So the AK fires rounds more powerful than most other guns, eh? Like the .30-30, .30-06, .300 Win mag, .375H&H, .45-70, 12-gauge, 10-gauge...?

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    Notice the spate of stories like this lately? This is exactly what I was talking about a few weeks ago. LEOs and Brady are building their case for a new assault weapons ban next January.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    I'd be willing to bet this killing was drug related. Another example of how infringing on the rights of others hurts your own.

    So Ak's are "rapid fire?" That's seems very misleading.

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    ama-gi wrote:
    I'd be willing to bet this killing was drug related. Another example of how infringing on the rights of others hurts your own.

    So Ak's are "rapid fire?" That's seems very misleading.
    I too would be willing to bet that this was drug or gang related because that is the primary (non suicide) cause of gun violence in this nation. This article isn't about facts. This is an agenda piece, but then most MSM stories are.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    This is an agenda piece, but then most MSM stories are.
    Yep. Sucking up to the left that will soon gain complete hegemony of the central government.

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    [quote]For years, only SWAT teams and the like carried AR-15s or similarly powerful weapons. But police forces nationwide have increased their firepower to match the criminals' arsenal — not only in urban areas such as Miami and Los Angeles, but in Waterloo, Iowa, Stillwater, Okla., Danbury, Conn., and Merced, Calif.
    "We're in an arms race," said Police Chief Scott Knight of Chaska, Minn., chairman of the firearms committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police.

    This is so misleading. The first couple of sentences don't even make much sense. And then it makes it sound like ONLY cops and criminals have guns...

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    "AK-47-Type Guns Are Turning Up in U.S. More Often."

    I wish one would turn up at my house.

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    Three other officers — armed, like Somohano, with just handguns — were wounded, one of them suffering a bullet wound the size of a grapefruit in her leg.
    That is some serious expansion of a 7.62 round to get to the size of a grapefruit. I mean from .3" to 4" diameter. Wow.

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    ama-gi wrote:
    ......So Ak's are "rapid fire?" That's seems very misleading.
    Well compared to a musket so is a bolt action rifle.

    Just ask the confederate forces during the Civil War.

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    The rest of the world doesn't become "nice and loving" because the U.S. bans guns.

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    "AKs and other so-called assault weapons are terrorizing their communities"

    That's an interesting visual. Rifles walking around on their own, terrorizing folks.

    Maybe I can set a trap and catch one. Maybe tame it and teach it to be an inanimate object again?

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    Wow, I'd like a trapping season on AK's! What size trap shouldI use? Would the largest legal size for my state work( on land 5 3/4")? Or do I have to set in water so I can use something with a 7 3/4 " jawspread? I wonder if the bag limit would be unlimited owing as to they are non native, and would we have to get the DNR to tag the AK's like they do with otters? Also how do you deal with a trapped AK, so it doesn't shoot you?

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    Wow, I'd like a trapping season on AK's! What size trap shouldI use? Would the largest legal size for my state work( on land 5 3/4")? Or do I have to set in water so I can use something with a 7 3/4 " jawspread? I wonder if the bag limit would be unlimited owing as to they are non native, and would we have to get the DNR to tag the AK's like they do with otters? Also how do you deal with a trapped AK, so it doesn't shoot you?
    +100 Best post in the thread!!
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    Also how do you deal with a trapped AK, so it doesn't shoot you?
    We all know the AK-47 is a brutal weapon, bent on killing and destruction. We just need to use that fact against it: we hold up a cardboard cutout of Britney Spears, sized down, of course--wouldn't want arm fatigue.

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    My AK hasn't killed anyone yet, but I should probably have a sit-down, heart-to-heart chat with it to make sure that it hasn't been thinking about hurting people. I don't understand how "bullets from an AK47 travel much faster than bullets fired from other guns". It's actually a moderately slow round for a rifle.

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    Article text:
    "Bullets fired by AK-47s travel at a higher velocity than those from many other weapons, and can do grievous damage to the body. Often they have enough energy to pass clear through."
    Grapefruits travel much faster from a balloon launcher than when thrown by hand, and can do grievous damage to the body. We don't ban grapefruits...

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    I don't understand how "bullets from an AK47 travel much faster than bullets fired from other guns". It's actually a moderately slow round for a rifle.
    Apparently you've never dealt with these feral AKs. They disobey even the laws of physics.

    Won't somebody stop their reign of TERROR? The SAFETY of the CHILDREN is at stake. I hear there may even be DRUGS involved!

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    expvideo wrote:
    My AK hasn't killed anyone yet, but I should probably have a sit-down, heart-to-heart chat with it to make sure that it hasn't been thinking about hurting people. *snip*
    So you think. Are you with it 24/7? Do you know it doesn't wander out by itself while you are at work? Are you absolutely positive it isn't have a little sump'um-sump'um with that little pink taurus in the neighborhood? For all you know you are going to have a new little .22 rimfire in the next 9 months. It could be running with a bad crowd. Do you ever find a little trace of white powder around it's muzzle end? Have you ever noticed some stinky smoke coming out of the chamber? I"m just sayin', you do the best you can, but you can't be with them all the time and at some point they make their own decisions according to the Brady Bunch.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    expvideo wrote:
    My AK hasn't killed anyone yet, but I should probably have a sit-down, heart-to-heart chat with it to make sure that it hasn't been thinking about hurting people. *snip*
    So you think. Are you with it 24/7? Do you know it doesn't wander out by itself while you are at work? Are you absolutely positive it isn't have a little sump'um-sump'um with that little pink taurus in the neighborhood? For all you know you are going to have a new little .22 rimfire in the next 9 months. It could be running with a bad crowd. Do you ever find a little trace of white powder around it's muzzle end? Have you ever noticed some stinky smoke coming out of the chamber? I"m just sayin', you do the best you can, but you can't be with them all the time and at some point they make their own decisions according to the Brady Bunch.
    I've been nervous ever since it started dressing so slutty. If you ask me, it's showing a bit too much rail under those rubber rail guards, and OD furniture is a little too provocative. I really don't understand why it thinks it needs to wear that flashlight and ergonomic vertical fore-grip everywhere either. That adjustable pistol grip with rubber size inserts is just telling everyone that it will just let anyone handle it comfortably. It's downright disrespectful to decent AKs everywhere. And what's up with those smoke colored magazines?! You can see right through them, why even bother?! And I don't care who you are, neoprene insulated covers do not belong on an underfolding stock. I even noticed it eye-balling a Bushnell HoloSight, and that would just be the last straw.

    At least I can take comfort in knowing that if it ever does get loose and start shooting people, it wasn't my fault.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Notice the spate of stories like this lately? This is exactly what I was talking about a few weeks ago. LEOs and Brady are building their case for a new assault weapons ban next January.


    It's moreof theextreme left'sboosting up stories in support ofthe Caroline McCarthy(D-N.Y.) and Michael Bloomberg collaboration. Her introduction of the new AWB in the House (HR1022 I believe) was around this time last year.

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    expvideo wrote:
    I don't understand how "bullets from an AK47 travel much faster than bullets fired from other guns". It's actually a moderately slow round for a rifle.
    Apparently you've never dealt with these feral AKs. They disobey even the laws of physics.

    Won't somebody stop their reign of TERROR? The SAFETY of the CHILDREN is at stake. I hear there may even be DRUGS involved!






    expvideo wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    expvideo wrote:
    My AK hasn't killed anyone yet, but I should probably have a sit-down, heart-to-heart chat with it to make sure that it hasn't been thinking about hurting people. *snip*
    So you think. Are you with it 24/7? Do you know it doesn't wander out by itself while you are at work? Are you absolutely positive it isn't have a little sump'um-sump'um with that little pink taurus in the neighborhood? For all you know you are going to have a new little .22 rimfire in the next 9 months. It could be running with a bad crowd. Do you ever find a little trace of white powder around it's muzzle end? Have you ever noticed some stinky smoke coming out of the chamber? I"m just sayin', you do the best you can, but you can't be with them all the time and at some point they make their own decisions according to the Brady Bunch.
    I've been nervous ever since it started dressing so slutty. If you ask me, it's showing a bit too much rail under those rubber rail guards, and OD furniture is a little too provocative. I really don't understand why it thinks it needs to wear that flashlight and ergonomic vertical fore-grip everywhere either. That adjustable pistol grip with rubber size inserts is just telling everyone that it will just let anyone handle it comfortably. It's downright disrespectful to decent AKs everywhere. And what's up with those smoke colored magazines?! You can see right through them, why even bother?! And I don't care who you are, neoprene insulated covers do not belong on an underfolding stock. I even noticed it eye-balling a Bushnell HoloSight, and that would just be the last straw.

    At least I can take comfort in knowing that if it ever does get loose and start shooting people, it wasn't my fault.


    You guys are too funny.

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    Toymaker wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    Notice the spate of stories like this lately? This is exactly what I was talking about a few weeks ago. LEOs and Brady are building their case for a new assault weapons ban next January.
    It's moreof theextreme left'sboosting up stories in support ofthe Caroline McCarthy(D-N.Y.) and Michael Bloomberg collaboration. Her introduction of the new AWB in the House (HR1022 I believe) was around this time last year.
    Good point and thankyou. I was too limiting in the antis I mentioned. To clarify:

    I think the recent spate of local gun crime stories going national, and as others pointed out, the lack of any self-defense with firearms stories of late, is part of a broader strategy (I loathe saying conspiracy). I think the LEO antis, the Brady Bunch, McCarthy, Bloomberg, the regular suspects in the media and other think tanks/liberals are anticipating a SCOTUS ruling wherein they will lose the individual/collective right argument but the rest will be very narrow leaving AWB safe. They also anticipate dems in both houses and the white house. So I think this is their the start of the campaign season for McCarthy's AWB for which they will use all these news stories and sheep reactions to argue a compelling gov't interest for public safety.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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