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    From Dr. Trani(university president):

    It is with great sadness that I inform the university community of the tragic death this morning of a VCU student.

    Richmond Police report that at 1:00 a.m. this morning Tyler J. Binsted, a 19-year old VCU student from Mount Jackson, Virginia, was shot and killed after an apparent robbery. Police say that Mr. Binsted and a female friend were walking in Byrd Park -- about 2.5 miles west of the Monroe Park Campus -- when they were approached by two young African American males, one of whom had a gun. Mr. Binsted and his friend were robbed of the keys to their car. As the victims were walking away, Mr. Binsted was fatally shot in the back. Police say the suspects fled in Mr. Binsted's car, a navy blue Honda Accord with Virginia license plate PHA 787. A broadcast alert has been issued for the vehicle.

    I am sure you join me in sending our thoughts and prayers to Tyler's family and friends in this time of great loss. The VCU Counseling Center has been alerted and its services are available to anyone who needs assistance in dealing with this tragic event.

    Please be assured that VCU will do everything it can to be sure that those responsible are apprehended and prosecuted. We will keep the community informed of significant events as they unfold.



    Makes me so damn angry...

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    As far as the City of Richmond goes Byrd Park is a very nice neighborhood. Maymont is close by. Very beautiful houses and a few huge mansions are in that neighborhood.

    The news reports say they were shot at the tennis courts. Those are very nice courts that sit across from lake with a fountain and paddle boats. The area usually stays lit.



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    T Dubya wrote:
    As far as the City of Richmond goes Byrd Park is a very nice neighborhood. Maymont is close by. Very beautiful houses and a few huge mansions are in that neighborhood.

    The news reports say they were shot at the tennis courts. Those are very nice courts that sit across from lake with a fountain and paddle boats. The area usually stays lit.
    Any "nice" neighborhoods inside the city limits of Richmond are all within walking distance of "not so nice" neigborhoods unfortunately. Byrd park is quite beautiful but other than the fireworks for July 4th I would never be there after dark - much less 1:00 am.

    This is just another justification for deadly force when confronted by an armed robber. You should be situationally aware enough to hopefully not find yourself in such a predicament. But if you are caught unawares, you are probably better off risking the draw even while at gunpoint. It's not about shooting to protect your wallet - that can be replaced. Your life cannot be replaced if you get shot in the back even after fully cooperating.

    The girl is actually very lucky that she wasn't kidnapped and raped after her companion was killed like what happened near church hill a couple of years ago. Too bad for the victim that he was 19 and too young to get a CHP. Probably wasn't aware of the OC at 18 either.

    ETA:

    Police are on the look out for two teen suspects last seen driving a blue, 4-door Honda Accord with a Virginia rescue squad license plate.

    Sounds like he was an EMT.

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    As far as nice neighborhoods, it doesn't really matter where you are. I mean, people who are going out robbing are going to go to these neighborhoods to do it. You just aren't safe in Richmond. I have had a couple of occaisions where I felt I might end up in a bad situation that I avoided by being aware of my surroundings at all times. I just can't believe they shot him in the back. That is the most cowardly thing to do. Not to mention stupid on their own part...stepped up armed robbery to murder. Surely they will just dump the vehicle and then how are they going to find the guys?

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    bellbw wrote:
    As far as nice neighborhoods, it doesn't really matter where you are.

    True, I mentioned the neighborhoods to make that point, and to give others not familiar with the area an idea of what it's like.
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    Just goes to show that you can live in a great neighborhood and still be robbed. Criminals will go where they can find well-to-do victims.

    Sad that even after they complied and relinquished all their stuff... one got shot.. in the back!!

    Be aware of your surroundings.. and be armed.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Just goes to show that you can live in a great neighborhood and still be robbed. Criminals will go where they can find well-to-do victims.

    Sad that even after they complied and relinquished all their stuff... one got shot.. in the back!!

    Be aware of your surroundings.. and be armed.
    same goes to why people aren't to hot about the metro going out to Reston and Tysons.

    Robbing rich people is just a train ride away from inner city DC!

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    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.

    And I would bet that the killing was a hate crime, but you're not likely to hear that on the news, are you?

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    Why do you think its a hate crime? What was the race of the victim?

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    hsmith wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    Just goes to show that you can live in a great neighborhood and still be robbed. Criminals will go where they can find well-to-do victims.

    Sad that even after they complied and relinquished all their stuff... one got shot.. in the back!!

    Be aware of your surroundings.. and be armed.
    same goes to why people aren't to hot about the metro going out to Reston and Tysons.

    Robbing rich people is just a train ride away from inner city DC!
    I do know for a fact that criminals drive to VA from DC and MD to commit crimes and then go back. We have caught so many and haveknown of tags reported leaving the scene that were MD and DC.

    Criminals thatlast longerare smart to not crap in their own back yards. They go to places they are not known and hit locations that are middle or high income. Then split never to be seen again.... until the next time.

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    bellbw wrote:
    ......Mr. Binsted and his friend were robbed of the keys to their car. As the victims were walking away, Mr. Binsted was fatally shot in the back......

    How many times have you heard the lie that if you give them what they ask for they will not hurt you?



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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.

    And I would bet that the killing was a hate crime, but you're not likely to hear that on the news, are you?
    Did you mean that the victim was not African-American?
    when they were approached by two young African American males, one of whom had a gun.


    Richmond police arrested a 17-year-old boy in this morning's fatal shooting of a VCU student at Byrd Park. http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.a...3-27-0212.html
    Once again a 17 year old murderer is a "boy".
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    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendID=8436449

    I think is his myspace page -- I'm not a member to peruse it but I came across it in a google search. Any myspace member available to confirm?
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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.


    Howard Reed Scott II
    Ok pay up.

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    This area is likley safer than where I lived in Baltimore when I went to college, but the african americans who made up about 99.9% of the crooks in the area, were scared of my dog thank goodness. Maybe I also gave off "warror vibes" or something, plus the ol reaching under the jacket bluffing thing. I'd say cond. orange was my normal street mode back then. I don't know why that little group of youths across the street in the not so well lit area, did not try anything with me- could the dog have been the defining factor? I did indeed stare them down and I am pretty sure I did the ol reaching under the jacket thing. Scary incident that my boldness put me into, but I got out of it. I felt I had the right to walk my dog at night in MY neighborhood, where they did not belong. The boldness and brashness of youth I suppose. Oh yeah, I wore camo alot and dressed kinda weird anyway. The student security boss told me once that I should teach the campus security class for students so they could learn situation awareness and how to deter criminals. 1) have a big funny looking dog 2) dress in camo and weird stuff in general 3) walk like you own the place and are big and bad. LOL

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    This area is likley safer than where I lived in Baltimore when I went to college, but the african americans who made up about 99.9% of the crooks in the area, were scared of my dog thank goodness. Maybe I also gave off "warror vibes" or something, plus the ol reaching under the jacket bluffing thing. I'd say cond. orange was my normal street mode back then. I don't know why that little group of youths across the street in the not so well lit area, did not try anything with me- could the dog have been the defining factor? I did indeed stare them down and I am pretty sure I did the ol reaching under the jacket thing. Scary incident that my boldness put me into, but I got out of it. I felt I had the right to walk my dog at night in MY neighborhood, where they did not belong. The boldness and brashness of youth I suppose. Oh yeah, I wore camo alot and dressed kinda weird anyway. The student security boss told me once that I should teach the campus security class for students so they could learn situation awareness and how to deter criminals. 1) have a big funny looking dog 2) dress in camo and weird stuff in general 3) walk like you own the place and are big and bad. LOL
    My mental picture of you is getting more warped as the months pass.
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    Sa45auto wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.


    Howard Reed Scott II
    Ok pay up.

    I'd take that bet any day! I spent way too much time in Richmond.
    It is two cities in one. Daylight, it has it's bad areas and very nice areas.

    After the sun goes down, they are all BAD. Some worse than others...like the projects. Especially this time of year when it;s getting warm and every project has "The strip".

    But every single spot in the city is within spitting distance from somewhere you don't want to be with your gun covered up. Even the Police station is an easy run from Mosby Court, Raven Street,etc.

    Whitcomb Court is right on the county line and they run back and forth constantly, staying ahead of the police. The city cops are pretty good about working the bad areas. Henrico County are yuppie cops and won't chase them back into the projects.

    With the very rare sections like Sheppard street where there is a small, older white organized crime group, the problems are black. Blacks selling drugs, blacks getting money to buy drugs and blacks looking for trouble.

    Unfortunately, most of their victims are also black and that's the sad part. It is very hard for a black child to grow up in the city and not be sucked into the inner city problems.

    The NEW victim of choice are illegal Mexicans. They use cash, won't report a crime and are pretty easy targets. I don't feel too sorry for them!

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.

    And I would bet that the killing was a hate crime, but you're not likely to hear that on the news, are you?
    wtf are you talking about?....did you not read the article?....read, think then type....or perhaps youre just goading?...i would think the latter.

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    peter nap wrote:
    Sa45auto wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.


    Howard Reed Scott II
    Ok pay up.

    I'd take that bet any day! I spent way too much time in Richmond.
    It is two cities in one. Daylight, it has it's bad areas and very nice areas.

    ...(large snip)...

    The NEW victim of choice are illegal Mexicans. They use cash, won't report a crime and are pretty easy targets. I don't feel too sorry for them!
    I do feel sorry for "them". I think it is wrong for anyone to violently victimize any other innocent human being. This is one reason I believe strongly in the rightto self-defense. I don't think your life, or my life, or the life of an illegal alien is any less valuable in and of itself. For me, this is one of the most importantaspects of my personal faith - and I am not a particularly religious person.

    Somethingserious must be done aboutillegal immigration, but the driving factor is economics - and illegal immigrantsstill havemothers who would grieve at their innocentchilds death.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendID=8436449

    I think is his myspace page -- I'm not a member to peruse it but I came across it in a google search. Any myspace member available to confirm?
    Yes, it is.

    RIP Tyler.



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    SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    Sa45auto wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.


    Howard Reed Scott II
    Ok pay up.

    I'd take that bet any day! I spent way too much time in Richmond.
    It is two cities in one. Daylight, it has it's bad areas and very nice areas.

    ...(large snip)...

    The NEW victim of choice are illegal Mexicans. They use cash, won't report a crime and are pretty easy targets. I don't feel too sorry for them!
    I do feel sorry for "them". I think it is wrong for anyone to violently victimize any other innocent human being. This is one reason I believe strongly in the rightto self-defense. I don't think your life, or my life, or the life of an illegal alien is any less valuable in and of itself. For me, this is one of the most importantaspects of my personal faith - and I am not a particularly religious person.

    Somethingserious must be done aboutillegal immigration, but the driving factor is economics - and illegal immigrantsstill havemothers who would grieve at their innocentchilds death.
    I agree with the basics of your statement but I have ZERO TOLERANCE for immigration. Legal or otherwise.

    They have the option of going home!

    Just a side note...If the world were populated with people that feel as you do, it would be a much better place. Unfortunately, it's not!

    Let me explain the area that Scott lived in (I'll just hit the high spots)

    It's off of Jeff Davis Highway on Richmonds Southside.
    Crossing the river, you get to Hillside Court (a project). One way in, one way out and the drug dealers own it.

    Next, Afton, where Scott lived. Same thing as Hillside just a little bigger and rougher. There's a market on Jeff Davis at the entrance to Afton. I saw a fellow waiting for a bus, get shot one fday, just because he was standing there. Nice folks, huh?

    There is Ruffin road and Ruffin road Apartments. Same thing. The industrial section at Bells road and just past, The City Motel. Mostly hookers that circle it like a pack of sharks after dark.

    Next, the Highway motel where the hookers have always sold drugs and the customers would take them to the used tire lot across the street to use them.

    Further, topless bars.

    Then you get to the Chesterfield line, That;s mostly populated by illegals. Chesterfield, being affluent, doesn't want to admit there is crime in the county so they push it into the city. The illegals are the buffer between Chesterfield and Hell. They keep things quiet for the county....because they have to.


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    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.

    And I would bet that the killing was a hate crime, but you're not likely to hear that on the news, are you?
    This is way off topic.
    The people who did this are murders

    Their race isn't important, at least notto me.
    Who ever did this should fry
    No matter what color their skin is, what minority group they alledge or are categorized in.

    Edit:
    As are the other topics in this and other threads regarding race.




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    Agent19 wrote:
    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.

    And I would bet that the killing was a hate crime, but you're not likely to hear that on the news, are you?
    This is way off topic.
    The people who did this are murders

    Their race isn't important, at least notto me.
    Who ever did this should fry
    No matter what color their skin is, what minority group they alledge or are categorized in.

    Edit:
    As are the other topics in this and other threads regarding race.



    I have to agree w/ you there, but I do feel there ...

    We can go through all the statistics and anecdotes about race and its connection to crime in America, but in the end what are we here for? We're here to promote the acceptance of honest, lawful citizens carrying weapons.
    Giving people the impression that we're the stereotypical "gun-nuts" (flannel shirts, camos, trailer-park, racist, sexist, rednecks) is going to further seperate us from the general population and hold our cause back.

    When you open carry or talk about the RKBA:
    Dress well,
    Act right, and
    Keep the race discussions civil and unbiased (if you MUST talk about it at all)!

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    Agent19 wrote:
    I would bet a full month's salary, before taxes, that the BGs were not African-Americans. In fact, I would bet 3 months salary on that.

    And I would bet that the killing was a hate crime, but you're not likely to hear that on the news, are you?
    This is way off topic.
    The people who did this are murders

    Their race isn't important, at least notto me.
    Who ever did this should fry
    No matter what color their skin is, what minority group they alledge or are categorized in.

    Edit:
    As are the other topics in this and other threads regarding race.



    Fair enough....So what's on Topic.

    A VCU Student, from Mt. Jackson, who has no idea what kind of violence goes on in Richmond, gets robbed. That's not even news worthy. Happens multiple times every day there.

    As he walks away, he gets shot and killed. Happens nearly every day in Richmond.

    He COULD HAVE BEEN OC'ING because he wasn't on school property but he wasn't.

    The girl was very lucky!

    Business as usual in Richmond City.

    That pretty well sums it up!

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    SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
    ...........the driving factor is economics......

    The driving factor is lack of morality.

    People want and they don't want to work for it. I want to secure the borders and we must, but most of the illegals come here to work and not to steal.

    The lack of morality is just this, they want and yet they don't want to do what is required to do to get what they want, legally.

    As a child I was a victim and I understand what it feels like to have some one take from you, something that is not theirs to have.

    I feel for the young man who lost his life and forhis family. The young man who took his life did so because he wanted what the other young man had and then when he took it, he wanted to be safe so he took the young man's life so he wouldn't be identified.

    We have a rising generation, especially in selected groups of minorities,that wants and does not have the moral fiber to work for what they want, and so they take.

    These young men, and sometimes women have not been raised by a father and mother who have taught them right from wrong and they have been told it is the fault of those that have that they have not and so they take.

    I was raised without too. I was raised in abject poverty, by an abusivemother and an invalid dieing father, but my father taught me, before he died, to grow to be a man of moral principles.

    Most of my friends went the way of the world, but I did not, and I accredit my father for that.

    Until every child has a family where they have a father and mother, who love them and teach them moral values, we will continue to have the problems that now face us.



    End of rant.

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