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joeroket wrote:
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just_a_car wrote:
Remember our "friend" Sheriff Lovick?... Just read this as the headline in today's paper: Tribal police to gain power to arrest non-Indians

Read more here: http://heraldnet.com/article/20080409/NEWS01/218970234&news01ad=1#Tribal.police.to.gain.power.to.arrest.non-Indians
Yeah, after the tribes were doing it illegally for years and got jammed when Senator Tim Sheldon from Shelton got stopped on Highway 101 and ticketed, took them to court and the tribes backed off, the legislature in their infinite wisdom give it to them to do legally. Real fair, since the tribal members living on the res pay no taxes and now they can legally rob you.
Legally rob you? How is that? I think I'm lost on that one Bear.
Ok here the story. You drive thru the res on a state highway and the res cop stops you and tickets you, now you need to remember they were doing this illegally and theyfines you even thoughthey had no authority to do so, then would turn you into collections to collect on their illegal ticket and ruin your credit, again illegally and now the legislature is gonnalet them do it with their OK. Mind you the tribes never reimbused anyone theyrobbed or fixed anyone credit report either. You think this is a fair deal?It amounts to telling Tony the Muscle, who is a mobstermoney lender that he can now legally break your arm.
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
Remember our "friend" Sheriff Lovick?... Just read this as the headline in today's paper: Tribal police to gain power to arrest non-Indians

Read more here: http://heraldnet.com/article/20080409/NEWS01/218970234&news01ad=1#Tribal.police.to.gain.power.to.arrest.non-Indians
Yeah, after the tribes were doing it illegally for years and got jammed when Senator Tim Sheldon from Shelton got stopped on Highway 101 and ticketed, took them to court and the tribes backed off, the legislature in their infinite wisdom give it to them to do legally. Real fair, since the tribal members living on the res pay no taxes and now they can legally rob you.
Do indian police even have to attend the state accredited law enforcement academy in Burien or Spokane? I thought they just "deputized" people and gave them the "authority" to do anything they wanted... on tribal land anyway.
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
joeroket wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
Remember our "friend" Sheriff Lovick?... Just read this as the headline in today's paper: Tribal police to gain power to arrest non-Indians

Read more here: http://heraldnet.com/article/20080409/NEWS01/218970234&news01ad=1#Tribal.police.to.gain.power.to.arrest.non-Indians
Yeah, after the tribes were doing it illegally for years and got jammed when Senator Tim Sheldon from Shelton got stopped on Highway 101 and ticketed, took them to court and the tribes backed off, the legislature in their infinite wisdom give it to them to do legally. Real fair, since the tribal members living on the res pay no taxes and now they can legally rob you.
Legally rob you? How is that? I think I'm lost on that one Bear.
Ok here the story. You drive thru the res on a state highway and the res cop stops you and tickets you, now you need to remember they were doing this illegally and theyfines you even thoughthey had no authority to do so, then would turn you into collections to collect on their illegal ticket and ruin your credit, again illegally and now the legislature is gonnalet them do it with their OK. Mind you the tribes never reimbused anyone theyrobbed or fixed anyone credit report either. You think this is a fair deal?It amounts to telling Tony the Muscle, who is a mobstermoney lender that he can now legally break your arm.
AHHH... Now I see where you are coming from. Except for now it will be legal for them to do it. I am kind of torn on this subject. I kind of think that if the tribal officer meets the same criteria and qualifications as a Sheriff does and is deputized then it will ease the strain on the Sheriff and Troopers thus giving them the ability to pay more attention to non-tribal land.

On the other hand I am not so sure it is a good idea because of the record that the tribal police have. I know their insurance company is not allowed to claim sovereign immunity and the tribe itself is required to waive it for suits against them due to unlawful activities by thier officers and the federal gov't is still in control of investigating any wrong doings by the tribal police but it still does not leave a good feeling in my gut. I guess only time will tell if the ones that are deputized will act accordingly and with a higher level of standard than they once did.
 

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ATCer wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
Remember our "friend" Sheriff Lovick?... Just read this as the headline in today's paper: Tribal police to gain power to arrest non-Indians

Read more here: http://heraldnet.com/article/20080409/NEWS01/218970234&news01ad=1#Tribal.police.to.gain.power.to.arrest.non-Indians
Yeah, after the tribes were doing it illegally for years and got jammed when Senator Tim Sheldon from Shelton got stopped on Highway 101 and ticketed, took them to court and the tribes backed off, the legislature in their infinite wisdom give it to them to do legally. Real fair, since the tribal members living on the res pay no taxes and now they can legally rob you.
Do indian police even have to attend the state accredited law enforcement academy in Burien or Spokane? I thought they just "deputized" people and gave them the "authority" to do anything they wanted... on tribal land anyway.
The new state law giving the res copsthe authority, requires that the cops be accredited or they can't ticket. But a lot of res cops are notwhat you want as cops. One of our local res cops used to be a statie until he was caught banging another staties wife on his cruiser while on duty. That's on, not in. Now do you really want this guy being a cop?
 

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ATCer wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
Remember our "friend" Sheriff Lovick?... Just read this as the headline in today's paper: Tribal police to gain power to arrest non-Indians

Read more here: http://heraldnet.com/article/20080409/NEWS01/218970234&news01ad=1#Tribal.police.to.gain.power.to.arrest.non-Indians
Yeah, after the tribes were doing it illegally for years and got jammed when Senator Tim Sheldon from Shelton got stopped on Highway 101 and ticketed, took them to court and the tribes backed off, the legislature in their infinite wisdom give it to them to do legally. Real fair, since the tribal members living on the res pay no taxes and now they can legally rob you.
Do indian police even have to attend the state accredited law enforcement academy in Burien or Spokane? I thought they just "deputized" people and gave them the "authority" to do anything they wanted... on tribal land anyway.
They are considered limited authority peace officers. They are very much like a corrections officer in thier power. They are not required to go through the CJTC's but they are required to have a minimum amount of training. The ones that will be deputized by Lovick are required to meet the state standards required for a fully commissioned peace officer. That is the reason he is only deputizing 17 of the 22 tribal officers.
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Ok here the story. You drive thru the res on a state highway and the res cop stops you and tickets you, now you need to remember they were doing this illegally and theyfines you even thoughthey had no authority to do so, then would turn you into collections to collect on their illegal ticket and ruin your credit, again illegally and now the legislature is gonnalet them do it with their OK. Mind you the tribes never reimbused anyone theyrobbed or fixed anyone credit report either. You think this is a fair deal?It amounts to telling Tony the Muscle, who is a mobstermoney lender that he can now legally break your arm.
Personally, I wouldn'tpull overfor a reservation cop any more than I would for any other private security guard. They have no authority and they can't pull you over, so why would you comply with them? They can shove it, as far as I'm concerned.
 

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joeroket wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
joeroket wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
Remember our "friend" Sheriff Lovick?... Just read this as the headline in today's paper: Tribal police to gain power to arrest non-Indians

Read more here: http://heraldnet.com/article/20080409/NEWS01/218970234&news01ad=1#Tribal.police.to.gain.power.to.arrest.non-Indians
Yeah, after the tribes were doing it illegally for years and got jammed when Senator Tim Sheldon from Shelton got stopped on Highway 101 and ticketed, took them to court and the tribes backed off, the legislature in their infinite wisdom give it to them to do legally. Real fair, since the tribal members living on the res pay no taxes and now they can legally rob you.
Legally rob you? How is that? I think I'm lost on that one Bear.
Ok here the story. You drive thru the res on a state highway and the res cop stops you and tickets you, now you need to remember they were doing this illegally and theyfines you even thoughthey had no authority to do so, then would turn you into collections to collect on their illegal ticket and ruin your credit, again illegally and now the legislature is gonnalet them do it with their OK. Mind you the tribes never reimbused anyone theyrobbed or fixed anyone credit report either. You think this is a fair deal?It amounts to telling Tony the Muscle, who is a mobstermoney lender that he can now legally break your arm.
AHHH... Now I see where you are coming from. Except for now it will be legal for them to do it. I am kind of torn on this subject. I kind of think that if the tribal officer meets the same criteria and qualifications as a Sheriff does and is deputized then it will ease the strain on the Sheriff and Troopers thus giving them the ability to pay more attention to non-tribal land.

On the other hand I am not so sure it is a good idea because of the record that the tribal police have. I know their insurance company is not allowed to claim sovereign immunity and the tribe itself is required to waive it for suits against them due to unlawful activities by thier officers and the federal gov't is still in control of investigating any wrong doings by the tribal police but it still does not leave a good feeling in my gut. I guess only time will tell if the ones that are deputized will act accordingly and with a higher level of standard than they once did.
The reason the local res got a police force again, yes again; they gave it up just like they did their fire department, and had the county sheriff's office patrol the res, was that they couldn't get decent officers who were any better than the guys they were to arrest and the ones they did get were run off the res for doing their jobs by their wonderful res residents. The county deputies were harassed by the wonderful citizens on the reswhen the deputieswere trying to arrest the drug house owners and their drunks and rapist, sound familiar? Rock throwing was not uncommon. So the Sheriff said "screw that" and we won't respond out there anymore. FYI the reason they can afford a police force nowis they have a casino that takes the money of real citizens of this country and pays nothing in to our system while the tribe continues to receive free money from the government, your tax dollars. Also the local res force has been thru around 15 different chiefs since it was recreated. A wonderful place to work.
 

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expvideo wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
Ok here the story. You drive thru the res on a state highway and the res cop stops you and tickets you, now you need to remember they were doing this illegally and theyfines you even thoughthey had no authority to do so, then would turn you into collections to collect on their illegal ticket and ruin your credit, again illegally and now the legislature is gonnalet them do it with their OK. Mind you the tribes never reimbused anyone theyrobbed or fixed anyone credit report either. You think this is a fair deal?It amounts to telling Tony the Muscle, who is a mobstermoney lender that he can now legally break your arm.
Personally, I wouldn'tpull overfor a reservation cop any more than I would for any other private security guard. They have no authority and they can't pull you over, so why would you comply with them? They can shove it, as far as I'm concerned.
They will shortly thanks to our wonderful legislature. If you don't stop after this law goes into effect, they will hit you with eluding for sure. More free money for the tribe.
 

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Tacoma mall security some years ago pulls up as I get out of the suburban. "Hey you're parking in a compact spot!" Me, "yes, I know." You can't park there" Me, "I'm within the lines and not extending out into the drive section, someone mislabeled the parking spot." I went into Sears and was back out in 10 mins. Security writes me a parking violation. Two more "Security" violations and I would be banned from parking at the mall. I wonder what would have happened had he seen the 1911 I was carrying?
 

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M1Gunr wrote:
Tacoma mall security some years ago pulls up as I get out of the suburban. "Hey you're parking in a compact spot!" Me, "yes, I know." You can't park there" Me, "I'm within the lines and not extending out into the drive section, someone mislabeled the parking spot." I went into Sears and was back out in 10 mins. Security writes me a parking violation. Two more "Security" violations and I would be banned from parking at the mall. I wonder what would have happened had he seen the 1911 I was carrying?
He would have wet him pants and called the cops. "Mall Security" is an oxymoron.
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
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Tacoma mall security some years ago pulls up as I get out of the suburban. "Hey you're parking in a compact spot!" Me, "yes, I know." You can't park there" Me, "I'm within the lines and not extending out into the drive section, someone mislabeled the parking spot." I went into Sears and was back out in 10 mins. Security writes me a parking violation. Two more "Security" violations and I would be banned from parking at the mall. I wonder what would have happened had he seen the 1911 I was carrying?
He would have wet him pants and called the cops. "Mall Security" is an oxymoron.
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I can't decide if they're just well dressed bullies or poorly dressed queers.
 

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expvideo wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
M1Gunr wrote:
Tacoma mall security some years ago pulls up as I get out of the suburban. "Hey you're parking in a compact spot!" Me, "yes, I know." You can't park there" Me, "I'm within the lines and not extending out into the drive section, someone mislabeled the parking spot." I went into Sears and was back out in 10 mins. Security writes me a parking violation. Two more "Security" violations and I would be banned from parking at the mall. I wonder what would have happened had he seen the 1911 I was carrying?
He would have wet him pants and called the cops. "Mall Security" is an oxymoron.
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I can't decide if they're just well dressed bullies or poorly dressed queers.
personally I think the majority of them are the latter of the two.
 

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Lonnie Wilson wrote:
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I can't decide if they're just well dressed bullies or poorly dressed queers.
The former. You should know better than to use that term in a negative, considering who I am. :cuss:

I wasn't using it in the negative. I was under the impression that it was the PC term, but it keeps changing, so I appologize if I was wrong. I did not mean that in an offensive or negative way.



EDIT: Rereading it, I guess that did come off a lot more offensively than I meant. I appologize. I hold no negative feelings toward gay people. Half of the people I work with are gay, and I have several gay friends.That isn't justification, that says thatI should have known better than to put it that way. I'm sorry I offended you, and you have every reason to be offended. Let me assure you that I wasn't meaning for that to come across that way. What I meant for it to be interpretted as was that most of the gay people I've met have a lot better fashion and more self respect than to wear one of those mall security uniforms. I was meaning to insult the uniform, but re-reading the post, it comes across as anything but that. So again, I'm very sorry. I meant the insult to the security uniform, not calling them gay (as a negative) because they were security guards.
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
Remember our "friend" Sheriff Lovick?... Just read this as the headline in today's paper: Tribal police to gain power to arrest non-Indians

Read more here: http://heraldnet.com/article/20080409/NEWS01/218970234&news01ad=1#Tribal.police.to.gain.power.to.arrest.non-Indians
Yeah, after the tribes were doing it illegally for years and got jammed when Senator Tim Sheldon from Shelton got stopped on Highway 101 and ticketed, took them to court and the tribes backed off, the legislature in their infinite wisdom give it to them to do legally. Real fair, since the tribal members living on the res pay no taxes and now they can legally rob you.
Bear, one question for ya. Why would Senator Sheldon vote "Yea" then?

[align=left]Yeas: 34 Nays: 15 Absent: 0 Excused: 0[/align]

Voting Yea:Senators Benton, Brown, Carrell, Delvin, Eide, Fairley, Franklin, Fraser, Hargrove, Hobbs, Jacobsen, Kastama, Kauffman, Keiser, Kilmer, Kline, Kohl-Welles, Marr, McAuliffe, McDermott, Murray, Oemig, Pflug, Prentice, Pridemore, Rasmussen, Regala, Rockefeller, Sheldon, Shin, Spanel, Swecker, Tom, and Weinstein


Voting Nay:Senators Berkey, Brandland, Hatfield, Haugen, Hewitt, Holmquist, Honeyford, King, McCaslin, Morton, Parlette, Roach, Schoesler, Stevens, and Zarelli

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2476&year=2007
 
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