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    How much lower can these scum suckers get?

    STAFFORD, Va. -- [/b]Two pregnant women were attacked during a home invasion in Stafford County Friday night, authorities said.On Friday before midnight, three people went to a home in the 1000 block of Providence Street, knocked on the door and then forced their way inside when the door was opened. The intruders used Mace on a pregnant woman and punched her, authorities said. The woman, a 4-year-old and a 2-year-old were locked in a bathroom.Authorities said that two of the intruders went to the back of the home, where they found two other residents. One of those residents, another pregnant woman, was assaulted.

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    You know..... It use to be that when you got burglarized.... The bad guy did not want to meet the home owner.

    But bad guys now simply do not care and will visit you while your home and just rob you!!

    Good to have a gun in a place you can retreat to if need be.

    And I say "retreat to" not that you must.... but I do not walk around with a gun in my hand.I have one in a place I can escape to fromthe immediate threat and obtain it.

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    I hope they catch those SOBs and hang 'em high! I can't imagine how furious their husbands (ok, I'm making a huge assumption) must be.

    I'm sending this story to my fiancee as yet one more example of why I either carry at home or have loaded gun nearby. She is coming around slowly but surely. I hate that it is other people's pain, anguish and loss are what is convincing her on the need to carry lethal force protection.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Well, most people still need to learn the hard way that they should have been aware and armed.

    But I wonder if these women will think any differently after the attack...especially since it's usually the women of the house who are most in denial re: "senseless violence" and telling the (usually) wimpy "husband" there will be no guns in "her" house.

    Not a whole lot of sympathy from me here...

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    You know..... It use to be that when you got burglarized.... The bad guy did not want to meet the home owner.

    But bad guys now simply do not care and will visit you while your home and just rob you!!

    Good to have a gun in a place you can retreat to if need be.

    And I say "retreat to" not that you must.... but I do not walk around with a gun in my hand.I have one in a place I can escape to fromthe immediate threat and obtain it.
    I'm in my bath robe and have my 5 shot in my pocket. I carry something, even a small gun, 97.8% of the time. When you need it you need it.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    You know..... It use to be that when you got burglarized.... The bad guy did not want to meet the home owner.

    But bad guys now simply do not care and will visit you while your home and just rob you!!
    It's just they are getting brazen. They don't care about people, they believe they will not get caught, and having someone tell them where the good stuff is makes the job much easier.

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    Leo, I don't walk around with a gun in my hand either... that's what they make holsters for. I do carry full time, at home and everywhere I go. Emergencies happen fast. I live alone, so there is nobody to defend me but me.

    The thing that strikes me about this story is that the woman actually opened the door to a stranger, unarmed no less! That is plain stupidity, and I wouldn't do that even here in rural Wyoming.

    With the energy boom going on here, we've seen a lot of people from all over moving in and our crime rate is climbing. My little town had two breakins this March, and we now have at least one assault or other crime of aggression in "the blotter" each week.

    And women who cling to the pacifist crap WILL eventually be victims. I'm sorry for them, but they are responsible for themselves. As for me: I am NOT a victim.
    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

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    coltcarrier wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    You know..... It use to be that when you got burglarized.... The bad guy did not want to meet the home owner.

    But bad guys now simply do not care and will visit you while your home and just rob you!!
    It's just they are getting brazen. They don't care about people, they believe they will not get caught, and having someone tell them where the good stuff is makes the job much easier.
    Nah, I don't think they are "getting brazen". They have been brazen for a long time. It is only in the last 10 years that we have started turning the tide and pushing back against their brazeness.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    "...they believe they will not get caught..." -- coltcarrier

    Even if they DO get caught, they will be back out on the street in no time. And even if they kill someone, lots of states don't have/use the death penalty and felons will be up for parole down the road...and then back on the street to do it all over again to someone else.

    The only SURE penalty forsaid felonsis what they receive immediately "on the scene" as it were:A armed citizen killing them on the spot, whensaid felonsfirst show their criminal intent (and since by doing that they have identified themselves as the POS/trash they are -- no other proof required) and meeting that criminality with overwhelming "good" violence (yes, contrary to ignorant but popular belief, some violence really does solve problems).

    Consequently, it's up to the armed citizen to administer true justice because thatusually is only accidental in the "criminal justice system."

    Besides, aren't we supposed to be in a "war on crime?"

    If so, take it seriously...I know I do: Kill the enemy.

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    Yeah it is stupid to open the door to a stranger, but it is also possible they knew the people, it is not unheard of. But if they didn't know the people, then they were plain acting stupid. Stupid like the 20 yr old college student in "my old neighborhood" who accidently locked herself out of her apt at 8pm and allowed a stranger to help her break into her apt via the fire escape. The man then raped her after showing a gun.

    When I was a young kid I was taught " don't talk to strangers, don't go somewhere with a stranger, don't take candy from a stranger,etc". This was added to as I got older, with examples of why you don't do this or that, and what you should do. I even grew up in a no-gun house and was taught to not touch a gun if I found one somewhere, instead find an adult you know and show it to them, or call the police if it's in an alley or something. I don't recall ever seeing a gun just set somewhere till I was a teen, then that was my hillbilly neighbors' guns they kinda just kept around LOL, butI didn't touch them either.

    In college the student guard's boss lady told meI should be teaching the student safety class. She was sort of joking and never did invite me too, but the point was that I knew all the does and don'ts without attending any class. I pushed my luck all the time though often not by choice being as the neighborhood was were I had to walk daily-and nightly, but the dog kept the criminals at bay, howeverI WAS always aware of my surroundings, the problem was when someone would walk around a blind corner and suddenly be there. I used tough attitude and tough clothing as well. There was no way I was going to let some slimeball try something with me. One time someone did and my dog really wanted a piece of him, he was the son of this goofy lady who lived above me. My other housemate called the cops on him while he was yelling at me over BS and I was holding my dog back with all my strength. If that had been a life or death situation, I would have let the dog go on him and an 80 pound half cattle dog ( known for extreme loyalty)likley could do some real damage, and allow me to get away from the danger. I did not own any guns at that time, had plenty of knives though LOL.

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    This is what makes it hard to be a nice guy these days. :?
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    Yeah it is stupid to open the door to a stranger, but it is also possible they knew the people, it is not unheard of. But if they didn't know the people, then they were plain acting stupid. ... Snipped
    Ya... I never answer my door. If I do not know you or you do not tell me you are coming over at night.. I do not answer. Most people I know call me first to say they are on the way.

    If you kick in my door... I am closer to my gun stashed upstairs and can get it before you can get to me.

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    AbNo wrote:
    This is what makes it hard to be a nice guy these days. :?
    Nice people are known as victims or targets.

    Criminals are eating away at our society as we become more aware and protect ourselves.

    They have to go after what is left and that is the people who are kind and easily taken advantage of.

    I love busting those people!! (Those people being the bag guys and not the kind people)

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    Its reasons like this that I never open the door with out looking out the window or asking who it is on the other side first.

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    We get calls from home owners....

    This guy knocked on my door and left. He then came back and is nowtrying to kick in my basement door!!

    Makes you wonder what he would have done had the homeowner answered.

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    Wow.

    Peaches asked me the other day why I'm so focused on security all of a sudden. It's b/c these things happen and they are largely either totally preventable or can be mitigated. There are few acts of violence that cannot be solved through superior firepower.

    Yesterday some guy knocked on our door while she was home alone. She just stared at him through the peephole. He eventually went away.

    I recently drilled three-inch wood screws into the door plates and hinges and we got a davey bar for the door. These things, although a pain in the ass, are necessary in this day and age. While they will not stop a determined thug, theygive her the time to get to the Mossberg 12ga.which will.


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    Rey wrote:
    Wow.

    Peaches asked me the other day why I'm so focused on security all of a sudden. It's b/c these things happen and they are largely either totally preventable or can be mitigated. There are few acts of violence that cannot be solved through superior firepower.

    Yesterday some guy knocked on our door while she was home alone. She just stared at him through the peephole. He eventually went away.

    I recently drilled three-inch wood screws into the door plates and hinges and we got a davey bar for the door. These things, although a pain in the ass, are necessary in this day and age. While they will not stop a determined thug, theygive her the time to get to the Mossberg 12ga.which will.


    EDIT: Congratulations to me on my 100th post! :celebrate
    Tell me more about a "davey bar"......I am looking to reinforce some of my home's entry points (two big panel windows on the ground floor and two doors on the front of the house with dead bolts, but that's it......), and would like to do it on the cheap if possible. I tried putting a chain lock on the front door, but when someone forgot it was on there and simply pushed hard on the door when coming in, it came right out of the wall......so not much confidence there on stopping anyone......

    I live in a house where people have come to asking for the previous crack dealer, and while none have been violent so far (especially considering once they see the holstered sidearm on my hip), I don't want to take any chances. It's a nice neighborhood, but that previous connection makes me nervous.

    I know this might take things a bit OT, but part of self defense in your home is preventing the BG from getting through the door in the first place.....or at least delaying them long enough to prepare for extreme violence. Given the time, I would rather grab my AK than use any of my pistols for home defense.......


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    Do any of you recall back in the day when your parents and neighbors would leave the doors unlocked overnight?

    Do that today and some guy will sneak in or see what he can grab while you sleep or come to your bedroom and molest the ladies.

    So sad.....

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Do any of you recall back in the day when your parents and neighbors would leave the doors unlocked overnight?

    Do that today and some guy will sneak in or see what he can grab while you sleep or come to your bedroom and molest the ladies.

    So sad.....
    Overnight? We'd go on vacation an not lock up. I think my mom started to about three years ago, but that's when Meth became a much more serious problem where I grew up.

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    bohdi wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    Do any of you recall back in the day when your parents and neighbors would leave the doors unlocked overnight?

    Do that today and some guy will sneak in or see what he can grab while you sleep or come to your bedroom and molest the ladies.

    So sad.....
    Overnight? We'd go on vacation an not lock up. I think my mom started to about three years ago, but that's when Meth became a much more serious problem where I grew up.
    We left the keys in the car ignition too.....

    Times have changed....

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    compmanio365 wrote:
    Tell me more about a "davey bar"......

    It an adjustable bar that has a forked end, which goes right underneath your doorknob, and a rubber footed end, which goes on the tile or carpet.

    You jam it under there real good and it exerts all the force put against the door onto the floor. There's all kinds, I think I picked mine up at Target. I tried it out and I had to stop for fear of breaking the door. They won't get in quiet that's for sure.

    It's the travel version of more permanent iron ones that you can install with slots built into both your door and the floor (ala Whoopi Goldberg's in the movie Burglar).


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    I live way down a long driveway and we keep doors unlocked when we are home. and at night some are unlocked for me, but when I am going to bed I lock them. I keep my 2 buildings locked when I am not in them.

    We do have 4 dogs though, 2 of which are aggressive cattle dogs. They are fat, but verystrong and weigh in the upper 60's. My mother gets paranoid though and sometimes locks me out of the house at night or locks doors she doesn't really need to. I think it would take a really crazy criminal to get through 2 mean dogs, then even if they do I have my 9mm in my room when I am sleeping and home alone. Dog ruckus will wake me up very fast.

    Not answering the door and being untrusting and rude acting can save many a life out there. There is a case of 2 teenage boys from some little Vermont town who decided to kill and rob for the heck of it. They first tried a man at home with his son, and the man did not unlock his door, but spoke through the glass, and he says he even showedhis gun by lifting it up enough to be seen. He was wary from the start and was holding his Glock in one hand. Then he said he would call the local auto garage for the guy since he claimed his car broke down, but his ph was dead- the line had been cut. The guy outside left at this point. This was in a rural sort of area of either VT or NH not far from the town the boys lived in. The man did not seem like some "paranoid gun nut" either, just a regular guy concerned for his safety and mostly his son's safety.

    The next time the2 teenage boyswent out huntingthey picked a house lived in by a college professor and his wife- he was a prof in enviro science and the boys claimed they were doing a school project on green alternatives or something, so the guy let them right in, even though he had no idea who they were, never met either before. He and his wife ended up stabbed to death/ blugeoned, and robbed.

    So yes, you never know where this crap might happen. I was sure happy to be a "gun totin lady" after watching that show. But since I have a business here I HAVE to see who's outside during normal hours, and let people in here, but if its late at night, there will be no nice lady if you show up. I have debated carrying all the time at home, but feel like its silly, that I am falling into the "gun nut paranoid" category. I have never had a problem with any customers or potential customers thus far. Is this stupid?

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    Much of the ease of kicked in doors can be solved by changing the way we build. I would never allow a builder to install the traditional in swinging exterior doors. Doors that swing out are much more difficult to kick in however the hinges need to be either hidden or of a type that the pin can not be removed when closed. There are other methods to keep the door in place when closed with the pins removed as well as other ways to strengthen the framing attachment. Besides in a panic during a evacuation as with a fire all you need to do is turn the knob and push.
    For ground accessible windows I am a big fan of architectural films...they work good for cars too!!
    Plus if there ever is a mistaken no-knock raid done on your house they will be greatly slowed in making entry; giving you valuable time to identify the intruders as police. You will come out fine and they will be baffled and sore from trying to get in.
    Most breaching techniques depend on the faults of typical construction common to the area.

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    "...like its silly, that I am falling into the "gun nut paranoid" category. I have never had a problem with any customers or potential customers thus far. Is this stupid?" -- XD40coyote


    I wouldn't say "stupid," but like most people out there,you're counting on the law of averages -- that it "won't happen to you" or, you won't encounter an "emergency" when you are NOT carrying. Neither mindset is desirable.

    BTW, actual "gun nuts" (mental cases) are rare. The rest of us are just "prudent."

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    Ah, thanks for the insight Rey.....I'll have to see if I can picka couple of those up. Never can have too many locks and bars on the doors/windows.

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