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    So I got the idea for this thread after reading the same type of thing in the Virginia Forum:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/3995-1.html

    Reading there has really gotten me more interested in OC. I have been CC pretty much every day since I got my permit last summer, but I really like the education opportunities that can come from OC, not to mention it being more comfortable.

    The first time I OCd anywhere but the range was yesterday, just around the apartment, out to get the mail, cleaning out the car, etc. My neighbors didn't mention anything, they know I am a responsible gun owner. It felt really good! I also noticed that I maintain "condition yellow" awareness much better when I am OC

    I am attending the OC meet tomorrow at Sweet Tomatoes, along with a couple of friends and I am very much looking forward to it!



    Share your experiences, tell us where you go, where you encounter problems, where you OC unmolested, etc... I think it will be great to here about businesses (esp. in SLC area) that frown on OC or are friendly.

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    I've OCed at Golden Corral, WalMart, Barnes & Noble, around Apt. complex, Emigration Market. No problems what so ever.

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    Ate at Red Robin Monday night, was wearing a white polo shirt and khakis, so my gun really stood out, nobody mentioned it, everyone was friendly. Good food, great service.

    Out shopping for a voice recorder last night. Hit Wal-Mart first, they didn't have any and I got help from an employee, either nobody noticed or nobody said anything.

    Talked to the lady at the photo counter at Walgreens, she saw it but never said anything and was very friendly.

    Found what I was looking for at Best Buy at an amazing price ($43.99 retail on clearance for $8.49!), talked to an employee about the recorder, price, etc, then he asked me about my gun. He used to work at Holladay Gun Club and has a CC permit, but didn't know about the legality of OC. We talked for 10 minutes in the middle of the aisle, I had my arms folded and everyone walking by saw my sidearm, nobody said anything. I gave him one of my pamphlets and he said he will have to try OC sometime. I should have gotten his number and invited him to the next meet, but I didn't think of it. This site and UCC are listed on the pamphlet though, so maybe he will find his own way there.

    It was a great night and now I have my voice recorder!

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    I've also been to WalGreen's, Smith's, Dan's Food, and Jack In The Box, no problems so far, lol

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    Today was my first OC experience. I was at Mongolian BBQ in Springville. At first a few people just stared and then looked away and shrugged it off. I sat down to eat and immediately an old man was in my face harassing me. He asked if I had a permit and I responded "it's not loaded" (mag was full but not one in the chamber) so I basically asked him what the problem was and he said that one could not OC in the city limits. I asked him to back it up, he could not. He then asked me to cover it up. So basically he wanted someone who he thought did not have a CCW to conceal a weapon???

    Just to avoid a huge fight I went ahead andcovered it up with my shirt. The man went back to his table. After a few mins I confronted him to set the record straight. After he calmed down he actually apologized for getting in my face so boldly, he said he was a retired cop. I informed him that it was completely legal for me to OC whether I had a CCW or not because it was not concealed nor loaded by the definition of the law.

    This was quite a neg exp for me as I always try my best to follow the rules and the law. It made me feel harassed and that my rights were infringed upon by someone who should have known the laws. I'm so glad I have this forum to vent my frustrations. Definately going to participate more in these forums as I need some moral support, thanks all.

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    So I guess you do not have a CCW, because you said you did not have one in the chamber? By concealing it you broke the law.

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    Welcome to OCDO! I too have openly carried in that Mongolian BBQ. Sorry to hear about the retired cop, but it sounds like you did a great job of setting him straight!
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    Was at Harmon's in Roy today (OCing), as I was checking out the cashier asked if I was a cop, I said no. Then why do you have a gun, I told her that Utah Law permitted me to. She said that was scary, I asked why? I told her that anyone 18 years or older can OC in Utah, but not fully loaded, but if you have a CCW you can carry fully loaded. She asked if mine was fully loaded, I told her yes. Again she said that is scary. I asked why, she said she does not like guns. I tolded her what if someone came in and robbed you, she said she would freak out. I told her that at least I could protect myself and anyone with me, if threaten or shot at. She said that would be good. So I went on my way.

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    My wife OCed with me for the first time on Friday night! We just got her the KelTec P3AT, it is a little rough to shoot with, but she loves it and it is the perfect size for her. She is planning on getting her CFP in a few months, until then she will be OCing with me!

    We went to Wal-Mart to buy a few things and I realized my wallet/CFP were in the car, so I ran back outside to get it. While I was outside, an employee asked her if her pistol was real and she assured him that is was, but it wasn't a big deal.

    On the way home, she proposed the idea that a lot more people will question her on it than will question me. She is much more approachable than her 6'5" 230 lb husband with a big old gun.

    I will encourage her to get on the forums to share her own experiences, and I encourage all of you to encourage the women in your life to join our cause!

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    I do have a CCW but I did not reveal that to the person at he time as it did not matter because I did not have a round in the chamber. I was kind of testing him to see how much he knew about the open carry law which he not only knew nothing he was trying to tell me that Utah was not an open carry state. It would probably be better for one to know the rules before taking it upong themself to impose them upon others.LOL. I really hope he went home and looked them up.

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    Any ideas for doing so?

    Welcome arme! Sorry to hear about the ignorant ex-cop.


    Edit: Went to Harmon's at 7700 south and 700 east tonight. Didn't have any problems, except for employees giving me funny looks.

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    I was wondering, does anyone know the usual punishment for carrying concealed without a permit? It might be useful in a situation like this where someone is asking a person without a permit to conceal their weapon. The conversation could go, "Concealing without a permit is illegal and I dont have $______ to pay that fine or the desire to serve the jail time."

    Just a thought...

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    The maximum fine for a class B misdemeanor is $1000, so it's not something I'd take too lightly!! Makes for some interesting expressions when you ask the guy that wants you to conceal (illegally) if he's willing to pay the fine!

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    arme wrote:
    Today was my first OC experience. I was at Mongolian BBQ in Springville. At first a few people just stared and then looked away and shrugged it off. I sat down to eat and immediately an old man was in my face harassing me. He asked if I had a permit and I responded "it's not loaded" (mag was full but not one in the chamber) so I basically asked him what the problem was and he said that one could not OC in the city limits. I asked him to back it up, he could not. He then asked me to cover it up. So basically he wanted someone who he thought did not have a CCW to conceal a weapon???

    Just to avoid a huge fight I went ahead andcovered it up with my shirt. The man went back to his table. After a few mins I confronted him to set the record straight. After he calmed down he actually apologized for getting in my face so boldly, he said he was a retired cop. I informed him that it was completely legal for me to OC whether I had a CCW or not because it was not concealed nor loaded by the definition of the law.

    This was quite a neg exp for me as I always try my best to follow the rules and the law. It made me feel harassed and that my rights were infringed upon by someone who should have known the laws. I'm so glad I have this forum to vent my frustrations. Definately going to participate more in these forums as I need some moral support, thanks all.
    Maybe this is the reason why he is an EX-cop:celebrate



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    OCed down to Provo today, it seemed like more people noticed, but only one mentioned it. We were having dinner at little Italy and my waiter commented on my XD 45, he has the XD 40sc and loves it. He asked me about carrying openly and needing a permit, we chatted for a minute and I gave him a pamphlet. Good experience.

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    Have not had trouble in West jordan, any where i have gone.

    Did have a run in in Riverton in front of my home. Was cleared up after a few.

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    Here is my last experience.

    Awesome OC experience @ the Local Albertsons

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    ScottyT wrote:
    OCed down to Provo today, it seemed like more people noticed, but only one mentioned it. We were having dinner at little Italy and my waiter commented on my XD 45, he has the XD 40sc and loves it. He asked me about carrying openly and needing a permit, we chatted for a minute and I gave him a pamphlet. Good experience.
    I have had some interesting experiences in provo. There have been either positive or negative. And most of them have been with students. They are either for guns or against them. It was really interesting.

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    SLC Police

    On Thursday night 6/24/2010 I stopped by 7-11 on 200 East 100 South to get a Soda after work. I noticed several SLCPD Cars parked their and decided to go in anyways.

    I was wearing a shoulder holster with my G21-C and extra mag pouch. After I exited I noticed several SLCPD officers talking in front of my Motorcycle so as I got on my bike one of them asked me what kind of firearm I replied and we had a good conversation about why we all like Glocks.

    This was a good experience and I expect to write a letter or call thanking the police department for going above and beyond on their open carry education they have mandatory for their SLCPD officers.

    This is a good example of Officers doing the right thing when in the presence of a openly carried firearm. I was never asked for my permit or if it was loaded or if I was legal.

    Thank you Salt Lake City Police Officers for being the example.
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    Awesome! Glad you are having good experiences now. I thought the bad juju monster was following you around for awhile there. It's good to know SLCPD has got its act together with regard to OC as well.

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    OC'ed at (inlaws) family reunion

    My wife's family had a reunion up Cedar Canyon this week and I OC'ed most of 4 days. Got a few "Why do you carry?" but more "What are you carrying" by people who mostly knew what a Sig P229 in .40 S&W meant. Never got to talk to the guy in the "Double Tap Ammunition" shirt, but one retired cop started giving me some free training.

    There were a couple of times where I only got to say " Because a cop is too heavy" but couldn't have a better discussion because of other constraints. So I wrote up my own personal Why I Carry page specifically for people who know me. Any comments would be appreciated.

    When I am openly (not concealed) carrying my handgun I am occasionally asked why I do that. My usual response (thanks to Kathy Jackson) is "Because a cop is too heavy."

    While I think that sums up my defensive carry pretty well, here's a slightly longer answer to that question.

    1. A prophet of God has said that it's my responsibility to protect my family. Carrying a defensive weapon is one part of trying to follow that admonition. I love my wife and children. I don't want to ever regret not being prepared to defend them.
    2. I believe that defending my family is a social obligation as well as a religious obligation.
    3. I want more law-abiding citizens to carry because it deters crime. This is especially important for women (I have 3 daughters).

    And some miscellaneous thoughts on this subject:

    * "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" -- George Washington
    * "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -- Col. Jeff Cooper
    * "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." -- Susan B. Anthony
    * "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." -- Mohandas Gandhi
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    I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

    I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

    I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so thatI don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

    I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

    I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

    I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

    I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

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    Cool OCing in front of 2 of "Sandy's Finest"

    My next door neighbor's ex-wife is out in front of his house with 2 Sandy City police officers. I get my dog, kids and gun and we start off for a walk we stroll pass the Cops talking to each other. My dog walk rig is my XD40 in my Serpa #II holster, with my favorite shirt "Infidel" on. I nod at the Cops who have noticed my gun, even through their sunglasses, I could see that look on their faces, "WTH." They nod back and that was that, they got done with the call and drove past my kids and I and said nothing.
    These Cops must be educated about OCing in Utah or they could not be bothered, I am convinced those Cops that give guys like us a hard time are big Anti-Gun Cops and they are not your friend nor your friend in freedom.

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    Mount Timpanogos

    Today was a great day for open carry here at Mount Timpanogos. I open carried the whole hike with my youth group not a single problem or issue.

    It was hot and crowded up their I walked part of the way down with the ranger and no issues at all. It was a great trip and no issues to report at all. Except my full size glock 21 did get crowded when fitting into narrow areas.

    It was a great time for the kids and adults with no problems. Kudos to

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    Carl's Junior

    Last night 8/2/2010 I went to the Carl's Junior on 200 South State Street. Their was a SLCPD Officer who is posted their every night (Not always the same officer)

    He comes over and introduces himself to me and we have a regular conversation. He stated last week when I came in he noticed my firearm and asked if the shoulder holster was new. I told him I like the shoulder rig when I am on my motorcycle.

    We talked about our military experiences and several other topics. So seems like Salt Lake City police department is getting the word open carry is legal.

    I like to post these experiences to show others open carry is not always negative but can be positive. So carry on and I look forward to seeing more open carriers.
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    Open Carry in Weber/Davis county areas of Utah

    Brand new to the forums and like reading about other peoples experiences.

    Open Carry in Weber/Davis county areas of Utah.

    I have recently started open carry every where I go in the Davis and Weber county areas of Utah and would like to say that so far I have had zero problems with LEO or anyone else. So far my experiences have been very good.
    When I walk into some stores I get the impression that the people don't even realize I am carrying, and I usually carry in a black horizontal rig over light colored t-shirts.
    The one thing I have noticed is that every time I am out on my Harley I seem to get a lot more distance put around me by people driving cars. Don't know if that is because of the weapon or what. Still, it is interesting to observe.
    If I ever find businesses that ask me to leave I will respect their policies by not spending my money there and posting their names so others won't get hassled.


    I posted this on another forum but couldn't figure out how to import that post over here so if you happen to see it twice that's why.

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