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    So pretty much ever since I have been CC I have carried a little wallet card (when folded in half = size of a business card) with information including a few of Utah's gun laws, defense/use of force laws, and states where my utah permit is honored. Many times I have given these cards away to other CC friends or even just people who are curious about CC/OC.

    I was wondering about putting a little tri-fold brochure together that I can give to people -- not standing on the corner handing them out, but having them for people who initiate conversations about the topic. I am going to be OCing a lot more starting this week (because I can/want to), so I am expecting these opportunities to come more often.

    I don't want to come off as a crazy gun zealot, but I would like to provide some facts that these people haven't heard on the evening news...

    I will still include relevant Utah laws and information about obtaining CCW, etc...

    I would love some input on this idea! Is it a good/bad idea, what information should I include, etc...

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    This was the first card I printed. http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/Guncard.htm

    I carry them always and hand them out to anyone who asks me why I carry a gun. I hand them out to students and others who carry as well.

    This is another card I carry, just in case I'm ever asked to leave a business due to my OC. So far, I've not had that problem in Wyoming or South Dakota.

    Attention manager: You, or an employee, have asked me to leave because I carry a firearm. I am happy to comply with your wishes because I respect private property. You should know, however, that I do not patronize any business that expects me to become a helpless victim on their property.

    You have lost my business, and I will be sure that others who carry for self defense are aware of your policy. We are not criminals... we WERE customers.
    The reverse of this card has the same information as the first card.

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    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

    Let the record show that I did not consent to be governed. I did not consent to any constitution. I did not consent to any president. I did not consent to any law except the natural law of "mala en se." I did not consent to the police. Nor any tax. Nor any prohibition of anything. Nor any regulation or licensing of any kind.

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    ScottyT,

    I for one think that it's a great idea. Check out the awesome job that surfj9009 did on this tri-fold for Washington state.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/8552.html

    As you can see from this thread the brochure is being (going to be) distributed far and wide.

    Good luck,

    Steve

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    I like the wallet card. While it may not be a wallet card, alot of states have started putting together tri-fold brochures with front/back information regarding the state regulations and laws. These can be handed out and given to gun shops, etcfor the purpose of educating the public.

    Ken

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    ScottyT wrote:
    So pretty much ever since I have been CC I have carried a little wallet card (when folded in half = size of a business card) with information including a few of Utah's gun laws, defense/use of force laws, and states where my utah permit is honored. Many times I have given these cards away to other CC friends or even just people who are curious about CC/OC.

    I was wondering about putting a little tri-fold brochure together that I can give to people -- not standing on the corner handing them out, but having them for people who initiate conversations about the topic. I am going to be OCing a lot more starting this week (because I can/want to), so I am expecting these opportunities to come more often.

    I don't want to come off as a crazy gun zealot, but I would like to provide some facts that these people haven't heard on the evening news...

    I will still include relevant Utah laws and information about obtaining CCW, etc...

    I would love some input on this idea! Is it a good/bad idea, what information should I include, etc...

    Check this thread. We in Michigan are drafting a similar wallet type info card.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/9724.html

    I also put together this info that can be printed on both sides of a page as a handout. If covers the basics for us here in Michigan.



    YOU CAN OPENLY CARRY A HANDGUN IN MICHIGAN[/b]*[/b]


    Any law abiding citizen of the State of Michigan who owns a registered handgun may openly carry (in a holster) said firearm in all places not explicitly exempt by law without a CPL. Private property rules over-ride state law in regards to firearm possession.
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    MSP Legal Update Newsletter: April 2007 Did You Know: It is not illegal under Michigan law to openly carry a pistol…...

    PLACES off limits to firearms without a CPL: Sec. 234d (1) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following: a) A Bank[/b]. b) A church[/b]. c) A court[/b]. d) A theatre[/b]. e) A sports arena.[/b] f) A day care center[/b]. g) A hospital[/b]. h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act (BAR). (2) This section does not apply to any of the following:

    A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession if that firearm is to provide security services for that entity. A peace officer. A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon. Aperson who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

    Those that don’t have a CPL when transporting their handgun must do so as prescribe by law.

    [/b]Michigan State PoliceWeb Site. Transporting a pistol in a motor vehicle?

    Answer A person is now permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose[/b] if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the pistol may be in the passenger compartment of the vehicle unloaded and inaccessible to the occupants of the vehicle.

    The law defines ‘lawful purpose’ as:

    1[/b] While en route to or from a hunting or target shooting area. 2[/b] While transporting a pistol to or from home or place of business and a place of repair. 3[/b] While moving goods from one place of residence or business to another place of residence or business. 4[/b] While transporting a licensed pistol to or from a law enforcement agency for the purpose of having a safety inspection performed (registering the pistol) or to have a law enforcement official take possession of the pistol. 5[/b] While en route to or from home or place of business to a gun show or place of purchase or sale. 6[/b] While en route to or from home to a public shooting facility or land where the discharge of firearms is permitted. 7 While en route to or from home to private property where the pistol is to be used as permitted by law, rule, regulation, or local ordinance.[/b]
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    No local ordinance concerning firearm possession is enforceable due to Michigan[/b]’s preemption law.[/b][/b]
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    In 1990, the Michigan legislature enacted MCL 123.1102 which provides, in pertinent part: A local unit of government shall not impose special taxation on, enact or enforce any ordinance or regulation pertaining to, or regulate in any other manner the ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms, except as otherwise provided by federal law or a law of this state.

    MCRGO v. Ferndale: The Michigan Court of Appeals held that local units of government may not impose restrictions upon firearms possession.

    MICHIGAN SUPREME COURT CONCLUDED:

    April 29, 2003. v No. 242237

    In sum, we conclude that § 1102 is a statute that specifically imposes a prohibition on local units of government from enacting and enforcing any ordinances or regulations pertaining to the transportation and possession of firearms, and thus preempts any ordinance or regulation of a local unit of government concerning these areas. ]

    Further, we conclude that the specific language of the 2000 amendments to MCL 28.421 et seq., particularly §§ 5c and 5o, which were adopted more than a decade after the enactment of § 1102, do not repeal § 1102 or otherwise reopen this area to local regulation of the carrying of firearms.17 Accordingly, we hold that the Ferndale ordinance is preempted by state law and, consequently, we reverse.

    Brandishing and disturbing the peace are not an offense while lawfully openly carrying a firearm.
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    ADVISORY NOTE[/b]: Though this sectionon disturbing the peace does not deal with firearms, due to the nature of this code, this law has been cited by officers to suppress or discourage lawful open carry. Since a person who is not licensed to carry concealed MUST open carry their firearms on foot in order to avoid criminal charge, nor is there any duty for anyone licensed to conceal their handgun, open carry is not disorderly conduct. The open carrying of firearms is not by itself threatening, nor does it cause a hazardous or physically offensive condition.

    BRANDISHING [/b]Opinion No. 7101 February 6, 2002: [/b]A reserve police officer, by carrying a handgun in a holster that is in plain view, does not violate section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code, which prohibits brandishing a firearm in public. In the absence of any reported Michigan appellate court decisions defining "brandishing," it is appropriate to rely upon dictionary definitions…..the term brandishing is defined as: "1. To wave or flourish menacingly, as a weapon. 2. To display ostentatiously. A menacing or defiant wave or flourish." This definition comports with the meaning ascribed to this term by courts of other jurisdictions…the court recognized that in federal sentencing guidelines, "brandishing" a weapon is defined to mean "that the weapon was pointed or waved about, or displayed in a threatening manner." Applying these definitions to your question, it is clear that a reserve police officer, regardless whether he or she qualifies as a "peace officer," when carrying a handgun in a holster in plain view, is not waving or displaying the firearm in a threatening manner. Thus, such conduct does not constitute brandishing a firearm in violation of section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code. It is my opinion, therefore, that…by carrying a handgun in a holster that is in plain view, does not violate section 234e of the [/b]Michigan[/b] Penal Code, which prohibits brandishing a firearm in public.[/b]

    A person openly carrying a firearm on foot in a legal manner when approached by a police officer and questioned where the only reason for the questioning is because of the openly carried firearm need not give that officer their name and address. No license or ID is required to openly carry a firearm. It is your option to provide ID/CPL.[/b][/b]

    ADVISORY NOTE: We recommend you cooperate with all lawful questions and requests.]Ask the officer if the reason you are being detained is for the legal open carry of a firearm. After giving your name and address, ask if you are free to go, ask if you are being detained. If they continue to ask questions about ID and why you are carrying a gun, repeat the question, am I free to go? Am I being detained? If the situation escalates ask for a supervisor. Remember the officer can arrest you for anything, don’t resist the arrest. After an illegal arrest you may have legal options you can employ.
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    An AG opinion, the MSP and Senator Prusi stated that a person with a CPL can carry a firearm openly in the exempted areas listed in MCL 750.234d. For example, with permission from the owner you can openly carry a handgun in a bar, sports arena, etc.
    [/b]Opinion No. 7097 January 11, 2002… A person licensed by this state… to carry a concealed weapon….By its express terms, section 234d prohibits certain persons from carrying a firearm in the enumerated places but explicitly exempts from its prohibition “[a] person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.” Thus, any person licensed to carry a concealed pistol, including a private investigator, is exempt from the gun-free zone restrictions imposed by section 234d of the Penal Code and may therefore possess firearms while on the types of premises listed in that statute.

    Your analysis is correct. Non-CPL pistol free zones do not apply to CPL holders. The CPL pistol free zones only apply to CPL holders carrying a concealed pistol. Therefore, a CPL holder may openly carry a pistol in Michigan's pistol free zones. Sincerely, Sgt. Thomas Deasy, State Police Executive Resource Section, (517) 336-6441”

    “Dear Mr. XXX:

    …My office has contacted the Michigan State Police legislative liaison and has received some answers to share with you. According to the liaison, it is legal to openly carry a firearm in a "Pistol Free Zone" if you are a licensed CPL holder. I was advised that your information was correct that MCL 28.425o and MCL 750-234d permit this activity. I was informed that there was no other additional relevant laws regarding this matter…Michael A Prusi, State Senator 38th District"

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research on the subject of open carry in [/b]Michigan[/b]. You are responsible in determining the accuracy of any information listed above. If you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.[/b]



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    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    Hey Scotty, I'm working on something like this, you can see it at the UCC forums.

    http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/fo...pic.php?t=2123

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    Just thought I'd let you know, although I am not allowed to openly carry my handgun in my state (Texas, and I've very Jealous :P ), I think the brochure Idea is a fantastic way to educate those around you about the laws, as it is so often that you find a person comepletely ignorant to the issue. A calm, confident voice and a knowledgeable, well intended mind is the the most potent weapon against the sheeple who would take our rights from us.

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    ScottyT, I'm extremely interested in your pamphlet. Where can I get one?

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