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    Impact of Tech shootings felt on campus mental health treatment
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    The rampage carried out nearly a year ago by a deranged Virginia Tech student who slipped through the mental health system has changed how American colleges reach out to troubled students.
    Administrators are pushing students harder to get help, looking more aggressively for signs of trouble and urging faculty to speak up when they have concerns. Counselors say the changes are sending even more students their way, which is both welcome and a challenge, given that many still lack the resources to handle their growing workloads.
    Behind those changes, colleges have edged away in the last year from decades-old practices that made student privacy paramount. Now, they are more likely to err on the side of sharing information - with the police, for instance, and parents - if there is any possible threat to community safety. But even some who say the changes are appropriate worry it could discourage students from seeking treatment.
    Concerns also linger that the response to shooters like Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech and Steven Kazmierczak, who killed five others at Northern Illinois University, has focused excessively on boosting the capacity of campus police to respond to rare, terrible events. Such reforms may be worthwhile, but they don't address how to prevent such a tragedy in the first place.
    It was last April 16, just after 7 a.m., that Cho killed two students in a Virginia Tech dormitory, the start of a shooting spree that continued in a classroom building and eventually claimed 33 lives, including his own.
    Cho's behavior and writing had alarmed professors and administrators, as well as the campus police, and he was put through a commitment hearing where he was found to be potentially dangerous. But when an off-campus psychiatrist sent him back to the school for outpatient treatment, there was no follow-up to ensure he got it.
    People who work every day in the campus mental health field - counselors, lawyers, advocates and students at colleges around the country - put the changes they have seen since the Cho shootings into three broad categories.
    - IDENTIFYING TROUBLED STUDENTS. Faculty are speaking up more about students who worry them. That's accelerating a trend of more demand for mental health services that was already under way before the Virginia Tech shootings.
    Professors "have a really heightened level of fear and concern from the behavior that goes on around them," said Ben Locke, assistant director of the counseling center at Penn State University.
    David Wallace, director of counseling at the University of Central Florida, said teachers are paying closer attention to violent material in writing assignments - warning bells that had worried Cho's professors.
    "Now people are wondering, 'Is this something that could be more ominous?'" he said. "'Are we talking about the Stephen Kings of the future or about somebody who's seriously thinking about doing something harmful?'"
    Mississippi State and the University of Kentucky are among the schools creating teams involving people such as resident advisers, teachers, administrators and campus police to try to identify troubled students. Others, including Virginia Tech, that already used such "care" teams have added another layer to deal with those identified as potentially threatening.
    "People who have been really depressed and are thinking about hurting themselves, these folks I think are coming to our attention a little bit earlier," said Keith Anderson, staff psychologist at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. "Because it's been a kind of national awakening, we have a sense of hope people will refer folks before something gets out of control."
    The downside is officials may be hypersensitive to any eccentricity. Says Susan Davis, an attorney who works in student affairs at the University of Virginia: "There's no question there's some hysteria and there's some things we don't need to see."
    That's a problem because counseling centers already had their hands full. A survey last fall by the Association for University and College Counseling Center Directors found colleges on average have just one counseling staffer for every 1,941 students. Those ratios could decline given that some colleges are adding staff - Virginia Tech has added four, with plans for three more - but in many states the ratios are still well above the nationally recommended guideline of one counselor per 1,500 students.
    Meanwhile, a recent MTV/Associated Press survey found 12 percent of college students found "life was not worth living" at least sometimes. About 10 percent have considered suicide in the last 12 months, according to the American College Health Association, and more than 1,000 commit suicide annually.
    "At Wake Forest, every year we see more people, every year the demand increases," said Marianne Schubert, director of the university counseling center. But, "I don't think people are being paranoid. I think given the circumstances of what has happened (at Virginia Tech) and the culture and society we live in, I think it's appropriate."
    - PRIVACY. In Virginia, a measure signed into law Wednesday by Gov. Tim Kaine requires colleges to bring parents into the loop when dependent students may be a danger to themselves or others. Even before Virginia Tech, Cornell University had begun treating students as dependents of their parents unless told otherwise - an aggressive legal strategy that gives the school more leeway to contact parents with concerns without students' permission.
    In Washington, D.C., meanwhile, federal officials are trying to clarify privacy guidelines so faculty won't hesitate to report potential threats.
    "Nobody's throwing privacy out the window, but we are coming out of an era when individual rights were paramount on college campuses," said Brett Sokolow, who advises colleges on risk management. "What colleges are struggling with now is a better balance of those individual rights and community protections."
    The big change since the Virginia Tech shootings, legal experts say, is colleges have shed some of their fear of violating the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). Many faculty hadn't realized that the law applies only to educational records, not observations of classroom behavior, or that it contains numerous exceptions for potential safety threats.
    In any case, colleges have concluded it's better to risk a mistake on FERPA than miss the danger signs in a student like Cho.
    "You have to choose your lawsuit," said Ada Meloy, general counsel of the American Council on Education, the Washington D.C.-based umbrella organization that represents colleges.
    Still, while conversations with therapists almost always stay private, some worry about the perception that confidentiality is no longer the top priority. There's no way to measure how many students aren't getting treatment.
    "The real balancing act is, are you chilling the mental health treatment you want these students to receive?" said UVA's Davis. "Are they going to stop going to these centers because there's this state law out there that says you have to call mom and dad?"
    - STIGMA. As news of the Virginia Tech shootings broke, Erica Hamilton was one of many people who worried the violence could prompt a backlash against the mentally ill, discouraging treatment and leading to misguided new laws.
    "I was really nervous," said Hamilton, a student at the University of North Carolina-Greensboro who works with Active Minds, a mental health advocacy group with chapters at 127 colleges. "It shined a negative light on people who have mental illness."
    On balance, Hamilton says that hasn't happened. But the tone of some of the debate remains a concern.
    "In general, the attention to campus mental health was desperately needed," said Alison Malmon, founder of the national Active Minds group. But some of the debate, she added, "has turned in a direction that does not necessary support students." All the talk of "threat assessments" and better-trained campus SWAT teams, she said, has distracted the public from the fact that the mentally ill rarely commit violence - especially against others.
    "I know that, for many students, it made them feel more stigmatized," Malmon said. "It made them more likely to keep their mental health history silent."
    The media has often drifted toward coverage of campus police training and emergency text-messaging systems. Malmon isn't saying money spent on those areas was wasted. She just doesn't want anyone to think it will prevent another Virginia Tech.
    Sokolow, the risk consultant for colleges, estimated in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech and NIU shootings, the schools he works with spent $25 on police and communications for every $1 on mental health. Only recently has he seen a shift.
    At Florida's public universities, the board of governors last month approved an $18 million request to the legislature to fund police and emergency warning systems that a state task force called for. The board also approved recommendations of a task force on mental health care, which found Florida schools needed 92 more counselors to reach the recommended ratio. But there has been no funding request yet. The report suggested the state lift caps on student fees.
    Bill Edmonds, a spokesman for Florida's board, said it recognizes the need for more counselors and is exploring ways to fund them.
    "Campuses come to me, they want me to help them start behavioral intervention systems," Sokolow said. "Then they go to the president to get the money and, oh, well, the money went into the door locks."
    Phone messaging systems and security are nice, he said, but "there is nothing about text-messaging that is going to prevent violence."
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    Mr. Pope,

    I have just read your article, "Impact of Tech shootings felt on campus mental health treatment."

    One aspect of the Tech aftermath that you did not mention, is that some students are being witch hunted. I have read of several students who were expelled, suspended, forced into the mental health system or otherwise identified as a potential threat simply because they wrote papers on questionable topics, were critical of school administrators or policies, had Facebook pages with pictures of themselves holding firearms, or were found to be in possession of firearms in violation of student rules, but without violating criminal laws.

    Two recent examples I specifically recall are a student expelled from UVA-Wise for having firearms in his car, a student expelled from Regent University for criticizing Pat Robertson through satire. Both of these students were exposed to the mental health system without need. The first was involuntarily committed until he was found not to be defective, the other waas ordered to have an evaluation in order to remain a student.

    Such treatment of students who do not require it can ruin their lives and careers. The Regent student was in law school. If expelled, what are his chances of completing his studies elsewhere, or securing employment? Slim, I imagine.

    If you are interested in pursuing this topic, I can probably provide documentation; I'm sure with a little work I can provide you with links to pertinent news articles, or forums where they have been discussed.

    Thank you,
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    How about knowing that going for help with mild depression or something like that may some day result in your being stripped of your right to self-defense? That's some stress right there. Making a choice between getting to talk to someone about your problems, or getting to touch firearms again. Granted, it's not an issue for many sh**ple, but something to consider for others.

    I'm not too crazy about the very loose definition of "privacy", either...

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    "'Are we talking about the Stephen Kings of the future or about somebody who's seriously thinking about doing something harmful?'"

    That right there says it all. So lets stifle the 1st A, kudos to the commies!

    How about knowing that going for help with mild depression or something like that may some day result in your being stripped of your right to self-defense? That's some stress right there. Making a choice between getting to talk to someone about your problems, or getting to touch firearms again. Granted, it's not an issue for many sh**ple, but something to consider for others.
    It is a daily issue for me. I was made to get help when I was in college, teacher got worried and then I get a call to go to the dean of student's office. I was unofficially suspended for 2 weeks and they said I had to see a doctor and get on meds if needed before coming back. GrantedI WAS having issues with anger and had clinical depression, and this was a good thing to have happen. However, even though this was 14 years ago, could it come back to bite me? My life situation is totally different, and I am still on an antidepressant. No longer am I in that shithole city called Baltimore with a guy in the apt above me driving me up the wall with his own much worst mental illness. I am not in cond orange all day every day. All that extreme stress and early 20's hormonal crap is gone.

    However once an artist always an artist, and I still like the dark themes. Would I be judged a possible Cho in this day and age? "OMG she owns guns, traps animals and kills them,does taxidermy, and she did this art thing with a mass murder theme thingy!" I have been thinking about going back into the art thing, but am almost afraid to. I am wondering what country I am living in, seems to be heading towards the Soviet Union.

    What is next? Prohibited to have 2A rights if diagnosed with any mental illness, prohibited if you do dark themed art? BecauseI >>might<< go on shooting rampage? How often do these occur anyway? They are so rare it is rediculous to think a gun owner artist with depression being treated and doing dark themes is going to do such a thing. Statistically since I am female, the rate of possiblity is even more remote. ButI live in a commie state that is may issue and the application makes you have to allow the SP to look at all your medical records. Lets say MD went shall-issue but did not remove this part of the application process? I would be denied because "people with depression go off their meds and then shoot people"? Yet I could have a permit in most other states because they only do the standard background checks. And why would a Cho type even bother with a carry permit? If I can legally own guns, why would getting a ccw permit be an issue? Another reason to do away with this permits crap and have every state be AK or VT.

    Oh and I am actually writing this for all to see, and no balls are needed on my part. I am an honest person and I hope I don't get punished for it.

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    XD40coyote, good post, and echoes what I was thinking.

    I guess it's not good to taunt "them" by saying, "You better just think I'm a homocidal psychopath, and not try to come and take my guns and make me prove it."

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