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    If an establishment, for what ever reason, decides to post a No Weapon Allowed sign. Where are they required to post it? Also does it have to be posted in just one place or at all points of entry that allow it to be seen?
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    If an establishment, for what ever reason, decides to post a No Weapon Allowed sign. Where are they required to post it? Also does it have to be posted in just one place or at all points of entry that allow it to be seen?
    There aren't any rules or requirements. It should be where you see it. Even then, they have to prove you saw it to get a trespassing conviction.

    If you were charged on the sign alone and went to court,,,

    Judge, did you see the sign
    Evil doer, No sir. I have a disability, CRWS!
    Judge, What is CRWS?
    Evil doer, Can't read worth ****!
    Judge, case dismissed!

    In most if not all cases, they will ask you to leave. It's time to beat feet then.

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    There are exceptions though. If the sign was placed where you HAD to see it. Good chance of a conviction.

    This idiot had to step over a sixteen foot long barracade with posted signs the entire length.

    Not much he could say.:shock:



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    Have you ever seen those signs along the road that have a P surrounded with a circle and a line drawn through it? That means you can't pee there. I see a lot of them so there must be a problem with people urinating along the roadside.


    Generally, the law of trespass requires sufficient notice understood by the average person and it must be unambiguous.


    Do you know what a 4 inch wide by 12 inch long painted white or gray mark on a tree means?

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    Virginiaplanter wrote:

    Do you know what a 4 inch wide by 12 inch long painted white or gray mark on a tree means?
    I do but considering the number of people I escort out every year, I'd say most don't...or just have CRWS

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    are you kidding me. Was big boy turkey hunting in that outfit? And a B.O. hat too boot!



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    The reason I asked this question is I see alota posts about a sign here and a sign there. Most are little corner window stickers yet you have billboard style signs at the Lynnhaven mall.

    My interest is if you know a place thats posted off limits but the sign is at say 1 of 3 entrance's. Would the excuse of I used those doors not that one thats posted work. Or if the law said it only had to be at 1 entrance's versus all entrance's. Just trying to clear things up for my own piece of mind.
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    Bullbuster wrote:
    If an establishment, for what ever reason, decides to post a No Weapon Allowed sign. Where are they required to post it? Also does it have to be posted in just one place or at all points of entry that allow it to be seen?
    The law only states that the business owner can prohibit firearms.....it says nothing about a sign being required, the size of a sign, etc...
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    Bullbuster wrote:
    The reason I asked this question is I see alota posts about a sign here and a sign there. Most are little corner window stickers yet you have billboard style signs at the Lynnhaven mall.
    Just say you went into the Lynnhaven Mall through the Dicks Sporting Goods store - there's no sign at all there - all they can do is ask you to leave, if you refuse - that's trespassing.

    A better plan is to not utilize malls or stores that post "Gun Free Zone" signs - our numbers are growing....they will eventually feel the pain of their decision.

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    I agree. Avoid victim disarmament zones and spend your money in places that respect your rights. And if you do happen to find yourself in one of these criminal magnets...there are lots of people around here with horror stories dealing with mall security, store managers, etc, so heed the advice: If asked to leave, make an immediate exit.

    Do NOT show ID to any mall security. Do NOT answer questions or even talk, other than maybe to say you understand and are making an immediate exit. Do NOT go to their security office. Do NOT try to educate them. Just GO.

    If the police are already there, ask them to please escort you outside, and strongly object to any sharing of your information with and third party. Check the laws in your area as to whether they may give your information to third parties like mall security, store management, etc. Repeat the question "Am I being detained?" and if not "Am I free to go?". If you're free to go, GO! There are better ways to fight the fight than to try and convince an LE of your position and risk saying something incriminating.

    Even if there ARE signs, as has been posted here in this forum, there are no laws saying you're required to read them, understand them, or even obey them.....maybe you were on the phone or otherwise distracted, or maybe someone was hanging out in front of the sign waiting for a ride and blocking it from view, or maybe you can't read, or maybe whatever. You're not required to know the policies of the store in which you are shopping, which includes reading the policies on the door. Once told verbally though, obey and exit immediately.

    And by the way, if you do happen to find yourself cited or otherwise in a legal situation, have a friend go back to the place ASAP and find all public entrances, looking for one without a sign, and take dated photographs of any entrances not posted.

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    I'm a pro-gun guy, but if I want to keep my job, I have to follow the rules of my anti-gun employer. One day when I'm independently wealthy......I won't have to live so dangerously.

    Even if I carefully disobey company rules, I unfortunately must sometimes travel by air, and many places I'm forced to go for my paycheck I don't even bother trying to figure out the silly rules "you can carry as long as it's not an assault weapon (has a magazine with more than 10 rounds) but it can't be loaded, unless it's sunday and you're wearing blue, unless it's the 3rd Sunday of the month, and it's an even-numbered year, in which case it must be loaded, unless you have hollow point ammunition and are a white male born in the USA, but not this state, unless it was to a family who last name starts with a consonant and ends with a vowel" ...if they even "allow" firearms at all.

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    timf343 wrote:
    I'm a pro-gun guy, but if I want to keep my job, I have to follow the rules of my anti-gun employer. One day when I'm independently wealthy......I won't have to live so dangerously.

    Even if I carefully disobey company rules, I unfortunately must sometimes travel by air, and many places I'm forced to go for my paycheck I don't even bother trying to figure out the silly rules "you can carry as long as it's not an assault weapon (has a magazine with more than 10 rounds) but it can't be loaded, unless it's sunday and you're wearing blue, unless it's the 3rd Sunday of the month, and it's an even-numbered year, in which case it must be loaded, unless you have hollow point ammunition and are a white male born in the USA, but not this state, unless it was to a family who last name starts with a consonant and ends with a vowel" ...if they even "allow" firearms at all.
    Is that a veiled slur against Italians ? You will shortly receive a visit from one of Bobcav's relatives.

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    bayboy is right. That was snippy. I apologize.
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    Tess wrote:
    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Here's how things "work" in the POLICE STATE OF LOUISIANA. <snip>
    Ok story, and you gave the right answer to the right people, but this was a Virginia resident asking on a Virginia forum. How is Louisiana relevant?
    Looks to me like it works the same way in Louisiana??

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    peter nap wrote:
    Virginiaplanter wrote:

    Do you know what a 4 inch wide by 12 inch long painted white or gray mark on a tree means?
    I do but considering the number of people I escort out every year, I'd say most don't...or just have CRWS
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    If a local governmentplaces signsthat says "field closed"at each end of a soccer fieldare you allowed to play on the field until your told to leave?

    The sign does NOT say "No Trespassing" and clearly tells everyone that you are not to be on the field, right?

    If the park authority shows up are they expected to just remind you that the field is closed and allow you to just go even after violating their sign?

    The answer is NO!

    YOU ARE TRESPASSING!! If you go to an establishment that has signs that say No firearms or dogs or skateboarding.... you are TRESPASSING!

    They are not required to remind you that they have public notices posted. They should have several in the area to make it obvious.

    I can tell you that this IS how the judges view it so you will be taking your chances if you are caught.

    Respect the wishes of an establishment that does not want you there armed. Take your business to a place that is more gun friendly and allow them to prosper instead.



    § 18.2-119. Trespass after having been forbidden to do so; penalties.

    If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so,

    either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian or other person lawfully in charge thereof,

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    after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by such persons or by the holder of any easement or other right-of-way authorized by the instrument creating such interest to post such signs on such lands, structures, premises or portion or area thereof at a place or places where it or they may be reasonably seen,

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    if any person, whether he is the owner, tenant or otherwise entitled to the use of such land, building or premises, goes upon, or remains upon such land, building or premises after having been prohibited from doing so by a court of competent jurisdiction by an order issued pursuant to §§ 16.1-253, 16.1-253.1, 16.1-253.4, 16.1-278.2 through 16.1-278.6, 16.1-278.8, 16.1-278.14, 16.1-278.15, 16.1-279.1, 19.2-152.8, 19.2-152.9 or § 19.2-152.10 or an ex parte order issued pursuant to § 20-103, and after having been served with such order,

    he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

    This section shall not be construed to affect in any way the provisions of §§ 18.2-132 through 18.2-136.

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    peter nap wrote:
    There are exceptions though. If the sign was placed where you HAD to see it. Good chance of a conviction.

    This idiot had to step over a sixteen foot long barracade with posted signs the entire length.

    Not much he could say.:shock:

    How'd you ID him/catch him? Or did you?

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    timf343 wrote:
    I'm a pro-gun guy, but if I want to keep my job, I have to follow the rules of my anti-gun employer. One day when I'm independently wealthy......I won't have to live so dangerously.

    Even if I carefully disobey company rules, I unfortunately must sometimes travel by air, and many places I'm forced to go for my paycheck I don't even bother trying to figure out the silly rules "you can carry as long as it's not an assault weapon (has a magazine with more than 10 rounds) but it can't be loaded, unless it's sunday and you're wearing blue, unless it's the 3rd Sunday of the month, and it's an even-numbered year, in which case it must be loaded, unless you have hollow point ammunition and are a white male born in the USA, but not this state, unless it was to a family who last name starts with a consonant and ends with a vowel" ...if they even "allow" firearms at all.
    Is that a veiled slur against Italians ? You will shortly receive a visit from one of Bobcav's relatives.
    That is SOOOOOOO funny!

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    There are exceptions though. If the sign was placed where you HAD to see it. Good chance of a conviction.

    This idiot had to step over a sixteen foot long barracade with posted signs the entire length.

    Not much he could say.:shock:

    How'd you ID him/catch him? Or did you?
    It isn't hard. Just take the picture to every gas /fast food place around. There are about 10 in a 30 mile circle.

    I got an injunction against a hunt club a few months ago. The only defense they had was "He said he was gonna shoot me and the dogs"

    The judge asked, did he shoot you?
    He said "NO"

    Then the judge said, stay off his land and you don't have to worry!

    The funny thing about that one was the Game Warden got wind of it and decided to give them tickets.
    When he checked their licenses, half the club turned out to be convicted felons and several of the rifles had altered serial numbers.

    That clubs a little smaller now.

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    peter nap wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    There are exceptions though. If the sign was placed where you HAD to see it. Good chance of a conviction.

    This idiot had to step over a sixteen foot long barracade with posted signs the entire length.

    Not much he could say.:shock:

    How'd you ID him/catch him? Or did you?
    It isn't hard. Just take the picture to every gas /fast food place around. There are about 10 in a 30 mile circle.

    I got an injunction against a hunt club a few months ago. The only defense they had was "He said he was gonna shoot me and the dogs"

    The judge asked, did he shoot you?
    He said "NO"

    Then the judge said, stay off his land and you don't have to worry!

    The funny thing about that one was the Game Warden got wind of it and decided to give them tickets.
    When he checked their licenses, half the club turned out to be convicted felons and several of the rifles had altered serial numbers.

    That clubs a little smaller now.
    HA! That's a riot Peter :^).

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    There are exceptions though. If the sign was placed where you HAD to see it. Good chance of a conviction.

    This idiot had to step over a sixteen foot long barracade with posted signs the entire length.

    Not much he could say.:shock:

    How'd you ID him/catch him? Or did you?
    It isn't hard. Just take the picture to every gas /fast food place around. There are about 10 in a 30 mile circle.

    I got an injunction against a hunt club a few months ago. The only defense they had was "He said he was gonna shoot me and the dogs"

    The judge asked, did he shoot you?
    He said "NO"

    Then the judge said, stay off his land and you don't have to worry!

    The funny thing about that one was the Game Warden got wind of it and decided to give them tickets.
    When he checked their licenses, half the club turned out to be convicted felons and several of the rifles had altered serial numbers.

    That clubs a little smaller now.
    HA! That's a riot Peter :^).
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    The intention of my original post wasn't to get ideas on how to break any laws and get by posted signs,it was mearly on how the state of VA required if at all signs to be displayed and where they had to be displayed.

    For those that go about willfully entering places that are posted your stupid. We want to gain more gun rights not cause more anti-gun rights.
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    Bullbuster wrote:
    The intention of my original post wasn't to get ideas on how to break any laws and get by posted signs,it was mearly on how the state of VA required if at all signs to be displayed and where they had to be displayed.

    For those that go about willfully entering places that are posted your stupid. We want to gain more gun rights not cause more anti-gun rights.
    The members her are by far...so law abiding that it's downright boring, Bullbuster.
    As usual, I took it a little off topic...but I'm a little old to be changing.

    What you took as advice on how to skirt the law, was really detailed information on how the law works and what your rights and responsibilities are.

    Sometimes you have to read in between the lines.

    I think you'll find that true lawbreakers don't last long here. Just ignore a little chest beating once in a while!

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    Bullbuster wrote:
    For those that go about willfully entering places that are posted your stupid....
    So if every entrance is NOT posted, and you always enter via a non-posted entrance, does that make you half stupid? For not checking EVERY entrance???

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    Bullbuster wrote:
    The intention of my original post wasn't to get ideas on how to break any laws and get by posted signs,it was mearly on how the state of VA required if at all signs to be displayed and where they had to be displayed.

    For those that go about willfully entering places that are posted your stupid. We want to gain more gun rights not cause more anti-gun rights.


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