Does OC Entail a VULNERABILITY Relative to CC ?

If he expects u to take your hand out of your jacket with your wallet in it and u draw a gun on him instead, u have the advantage of stealth. Right ?

Wrong....in that situation, don't you think that "he" will be weatching your hand/s very carefully?...I know I would.

In my opinion, unless u have practiced speed drawing from your hipa lot, drawing from within your jacket will probably take about the same amount of time.

All I can say to this is, you have obviously never practiced both methods...nor even applied any logic to the question. For eaxample, ask yourself "how many seperate movements/actions does it take for me to have my weapon "on target" and ready to fire" from CC?....from OC?
Even as a thought experiment alone, without practice with either method, the answer should be painfully obvious.

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WhiteRabbit22 wrote:

In my opinion, this is where proper training comes into effect. If you are able to redirect his weapon, and draw your's, you have a much better chance due to beter draw time.

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Sounds interesting; do u have any particular training in mind ?

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SNIP Have u considered the wisdom of aCC BUG ?

or is that too much weight all the time ?

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Just my 0.2,

You emplored our pardon to not get agitated when you tried to make a point about something that has been beaten to death. But instead of excepting the answers given you went out of your way to add an irrational tone to your posts. From an outsiders perspective I would guess that your post reflect a rather brazen attitude and that you were not looking for answers but more so to argue with everyone for points your perceptions dictate as invalid.

You cannot calculate the statistics you are looking for because no one intending harm is going to walk up toa personwhom is OC'ing and tell them that they were about to rob them and then they saw the gun and decided to look elsewhere.

The decision to OC comes from convictions to better the community around you. ByOC'ing you have more oportunities to educate people about citizens carryand the right to do so. For me that is plenty an advantage to do said activity.

So to put this to rest if you are looking for answers I suggest you listen to what iswritten and not try to contradict everything that is typed.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

SNIP Have u considered the wisdom of aCC BUG ?

or is that too much weight all the time ?

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I subscribe to the idea (Massad Ayoob's?) that if you are justified in carrying one gun, you are justified in carrying two.

Its more a financial consideration for me. One the financial catches up, I'll get myself a nice little consideration.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

WhiteRabbit22 wrote:

In my opinion, this is where proper training comes into effect. If you are able to redirect his weapon, and draw your's, you have a much better chance due to beter draw time.

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Sounds interesting; do u have any particular training in mind ?

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There's many different methods, some of which are just my adaptation from various Aikido techniques. Don't put your hands up, that is a bad idea, because you're more vunerable. instead, when the criminal tells you to put your hands up, make your move, he's going to expect moving hands at that point. If the shooter is right handed and holding the gun with his right hand, redirect the weapon to his left side, closing him off from a counter-attack with his free hand. If you are right handed, do this with your left hand, leaving you plenty of room to draw with your right, and fire.

similar to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeNPJ0fgWVY

i realize it's from a movie, but his techiques are pretty spot on. (cept for putting his hands up.)

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