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    Hey there, everyone! Parrothead checking in from Fabulous Las Vegas, NV ! I've been lurking around here for a while and decided to join to share my story after reading some of the others. Mine may not be as scary as others, but it was pretty hair-raising to me at the time. Sorry if it takes a while to tell, but I want to tell it right. This is the story of the only time I ever picked up a loaded firearm with the intent to use it on something other than inanimate targets.

    Before moving to Vegas, I lived my whole life in San Diego. My first apartment was a tiny thing - 350 square feet of furnished space all to myself. It was at the top of a very steep hill in a decent communityand on the second floor, soI felt pretty safe. Dad seemed to think the place was nice enough and seeing as how he was California Highway Patrol for 31 years, I thought that was a pretty good sign.

    Well, a while after moving in, I got THE INTERNET and got interested in guns again. I had received a .22 rifle (Marlin Mod 60) for Christmas on my 18th birthday and figured it would be fun to go to the range. I cleaned her up all purdy and had fun with paper targets, but aside from that she stayed in a case.

    One day I came upon Oleg Volk's website (google him for somegood stuff) and started thinking that maybe it would be a decent idea to actually, ya know, keep it loaded especially as I was the only one in the apartment so nobody else could mess with it. Thereafter I kept it right next to the chair I spent most of my indoor time in (laptop on the left armrest and TV across the room) with a full magazine and one in the pipe, safety on. I knew it was there and that was pretty darn nice. I also made sure at the range that I could empty the magazine in a quick, controlled manner and that the rounds would fit neatly inside of a normal human silhouette target. I know a .22 isn't the greatest defensive weapon,but I was broke, it was what I had, and it's sure better than nothing at all!

    Then came the day I actually picked it up with the possibility of using it. I was as usual watching TV and surfing the internet, kicking back and enjoying life when someone knocked on my door. This was the first of only about five times in my several years that someone knocked on my door without me expecting it - gotta love that big hill and second floor

    Before I go further, I should lay out a bit of background. The front of my apartment consisted of a wall with a louvered window (yes, glass louvers that cranked open)and a woodendoor. There was a space between my building and the next which was directly across from mine with the doors facing my apartment's door. The louvered windows were open, but the blinds were closed, so there was no way to see inside my apartment.

    So this guy knocks on my door and says (best of recollection from a few years ago and a stressful moment) and says he's there to check on something. I stayed put, but was on guard because I hadn't received any notice and besides, it might be true. I responded that I hadn't heard of anything and he then said that he was there to check the water meter and he needed to come inside. Funny - my utility bill was only for gas and electricity with the water included in the rent. And there was no water meter or any other meter inside my apartment.

    My BS meter pegged to redline which is when I got up, picked up my rifle, put the butt to my shoulder (keeping the muzzle down) and switched off the safety. Everything about this seemed wrong and like many accounts of someone trying to gain entry for nefarious reasons. Things only got worse when the doofus started trying to ARGUE with me! Then his story changed to something else I really can't remember - all I can remember was actually raising the muzzle to the door and sighting down the sights because this could get ugly at any time!

    One thing I have to note is that this entire time I made sure to KEEP MY FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER!!!

    I was seriously scared and felt almost certain that some jerk I didn't know from Adam was about to break into my apartment KNOWING THAT I WAS INSIDE and that I was going to have to SHOOT HIM WITH THE FULL INTENTION OFTRYING TO KILLHIM.

    Remember, Dad was CHP for all those years. Dad and the Boy Scouts taught me firearms safety and how to shoot, but Dad also taught me something the Boy Scouts never even mentioned. Dad taught me thatIF YOU EVER HAVE TO SHOOT AT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, ONLY DO IT WITH THE INTENTION OF KILLING THEM. DO NOT EVER THINK OF TRYING TO SHOOT A WEAPON OUT OF THEIR HAND OR TRYING TO SHOOT THEM IN THE LEG. SHOOT FOR CENTER MASS AND CONTINUE TO FIRE UNTIL THEY ARE NO LONGER A THREAT.

    All this was spinning through my mind at a million miles an hour when the guy finally ADMITTED THAT HE WAS SELLING MAGAZINES FOR SOME KIND OF FUND RAISER!!!

    I told him that no, I didn't want any and I thought he was being a total jerk by lying in an attempt to get someone to open their door. AND YET HE STILL CONTINUED TO TRY TO SELL ME SOME!!! The rifle stayed up and at the ready with my finger off the trigger A few expletives hurled in his direction at a high volume finally convinced him to move on.

    I heard him knock on the door of the apartment next to mine with no answer and lowered the muzzle, then heard him knock onanother doorfarther down before I figured it was safe to go back about my business after switching the safety back to "safe" and placing the rifle back in its place.

    I figure there's several good things here. I never threatened him because he was never a specific threat, so the cops never had to be involved in any way. He never knew about what was behind the door, so he couldn't sue over emotional distress or some such BS. I was ready to defend myself, but never had to. Finally, and most importantly in my mind, I didn't have to do what I was prepared to do.

    I also realize (getting back into guns again these days) that I still need something better for home defense and I intend to remedy that deficiency before too long with the purchase of a 12ga pump. I wasn't thinking about home defense when I made my most recent purchases - a Yugo AK-47 and a Steyr M95. Both have WAY TOO MUCH OVERPENETRATION!

    On a home-defense related note, I just filled out the paperwork for a Hi-Point C9 pistol (9mm semi-auto) yesterday and I get to pick it up tomorrow. I know Hi-Point pistols are controversial to say the least, but I figured it this way - I want to see what's true about them and what's not, it should be fun in the desert for plinking and such, it was only $119.00 (no, that's not a typo), is made in the USA, comes with a full lifetime warranty,and if it proves reliable it can be used for home defense with the proper rounds until I get a 12ga pump

    Thanks for posting all of your stories, allowing me to post here, and for taking the time to read all of this. I would truly appreciate any and all thoughts and critiques regarding my reactions to the jerk of a magazine salesguy.

    Have a great day !

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    Be sure to read through the Hi-Point forum and do the little tweaks to the magazines, and get ahold of a dremel tool and polish the feed ramp. This will eliminate the "problems" the the Hi-Points are noted for.

    I have put about 1,000rounds through my C9 and after the tweaks and polish, I have rarely had any FTFs. The rare FTF that Ihave I can attribute to limp wristing.

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    Hey there, everyone!┬* Parrothead checking in from Fabulous Las Vegas, NV ┬*!┬* I've been lurking around here for a while and decided to join to share my story after reading some of the others.┬* Mine may not be as scary as others, but it was pretty hair-raising to me at the time.┬* Sorry if it takes a while to tell, but I want to tell it right.┬* This is the story of the only time I ever picked up a loaded firearm with the intent to use it on something other than inanimate targets.

    Before moving to Vegas, I lived my whole life in San Diego.┬* My first apartment was a tiny thing - 350 square feet of furnished space all to myself.┬* It was at the top of a very steep hill in a decent community┬*and on the second floor, so┬*I felt pretty safe.┬* Dad seemed to think the place was nice enough and seeing as how he was California Highway Patrol for 31 years, I thought that was a pretty good sign.

    Well, a while after moving in, I got THE INTERNET and got interested in guns again.┬* I had received a .22 rifle (Marlin Mod 60) for Christmas on my 18th birthday and figured it would be fun to go to the range.┬* I cleaned her up all purdy and had fun with paper targets, but aside from that she stayed in a case.

    One day I came upon Oleg Volk's website (google him for some┬*good stuff) and started thinking that maybe it would be a decent idea to actually, ya know, keep it loaded especially as I was the only one in the apartment so nobody else could mess with it.┬* Thereafter I kept it right next to the chair I spent most of my indoor time in (laptop on the left armrest and TV across the room) with a full magazine and one in the pipe, safety on.┬* I knew it was there and that was pretty darn nice.┬* I also made sure at the range that I could empty the magazine in a quick, controlled manner and that the rounds would fit neatly inside of a normal human silhouette target.┬* I know a .22 isn't the greatest defensive weapon,┬*but I was broke, it was what I had, and it's sure better than nothing at all!

    Then came the day I actually picked it up with the possibility of using it.┬* I was as usual watching TV and surfing the internet, kicking back and enjoying life when someone knocked on my door.┬* This was the first of only about five times in my several years that someone knocked on my door without me expecting it - gotta love that big hill and second floor

    Before I go further, I should lay out a bit of background.┬* The front of my apartment consisted of a wall with a louvered window (yes, glass louvers that cranked open)┬*and a wooden┬*door.┬* There was a space between my building and the next which was directly across from mine with the doors facing my apartment's door.┬* The louvered windows were open, but the blinds were closed, so there was no way to see inside my apartment.

    So this guy knocks on my door and says (best of recollection from a few years ago and a stressful moment) and says he's there to check on something.┬* I stayed put, but was on guard because I hadn't received any notice and besides, it might be true.┬* I responded that I hadn't heard of anything and he then said that he was there to check the water meter and he needed to come inside.┬* Funny - my utility bill was only for gas and electricity with the water included in the rent.┬* And there was no water meter or any other meter inside my apartment.

    My BS meter pegged to redline which is when I got up, picked up my rifle, put the butt to my shoulder (keeping the muzzle down) and switched off the safety.┬* Everything about this seemed wrong and like many accounts of someone trying to gain entry for nefarious reasons.┬* Things only got worse when the doofus started trying to ARGUE with me!┬* Then his story changed to something else I really can't remember - all I can remember was actually raising the muzzle to the door and sighting down the sights because this could get ugly at any time!

    One thing I have to note is that this entire time I made sure to KEEP MY FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER!!!

    I was seriously scared and felt almost certain that some jerk I didn't know from Adam was about to break into my apartment KNOWING THAT I WAS INSIDE and that I was going to have to SHOOT HIM WITH THE FULL INTENTION OF┬*TRYING TO KILL┬*HIM.

    Remember, Dad was CHP for all those years.┬* Dad and the Boy Scouts taught me firearms safety and how to shoot, but Dad also taught me something the Boy Scouts never even mentioned. Dad taught me that┬*IF YOU EVER HAVE TO SHOOT AT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, ONLY DO IT WITH THE INTENTION OF KILLING THEM.┬* DO NOT EVER THINK OF TRYING TO SHOOT A WEAPON OUT OF THEIR HAND OR TRYING TO SHOOT THEM IN THE LEG.┬* SHOOT FOR CENTER MASS AND CONTINUE TO FIRE UNTIL THEY ARE NO LONGER A THREAT.

    All this was spinning through my mind at a million miles an hour when the guy finally ADMITTED THAT HE WAS SELLING MAGAZINES FOR SOME KIND OF FUND RAISER!!!

    I told him that no, I didn't want any and I thought he was being a total jerk by lying in an attempt to get someone to open their door.┬* AND YET HE STILL CONTINUED TO TRY TO SELL ME SOME!!!┬* The rifle stayed up and at the ready with my finger off the trigger┬* A few expletives hurled in his direction at a high volume finally convinced him to move on.

    I heard him knock on the door of the apartment next to mine with no answer and lowered the muzzle, then heard him knock on┬*another door┬*farther down before I figured it was safe to go back about my business after switching the safety back to "safe" and placing the rifle back in its place.

    I figure there's several good things here.┬* I never threatened him because he was never a specific threat, so the cops never had to be involved in any way.┬* He never knew about what was behind the door, so he couldn't sue over emotional distress or some such BS.┬* I was ready to defend myself, but never had to.┬* Finally, and most importantly in my mind, I didn't have to do what I was prepared to do.

    I also realize (getting back into guns again these days) that I still need something better for home defense and I intend to remedy that deficiency before too long with the purchase of a 12ga pump.┬* I wasn't thinking about home defense when I made my most recent purchases - a Yugo AK-47 and a Steyr M95.┬* Both have WAY TOO MUCH OVERPENETRATION!┬*

    On a home-defense related note, I just filled out the paperwork for a Hi-Point C9 pistol (9mm semi-auto) yesterday and I get to pick it up tomorrow.┬* I know Hi-Point pistols are controversial to say the least, but I figured it this way - I want to see what's true about them and what's not, it should be fun in the desert for plinking and such, it was only $119.00 (no, that's not a typo), is made in the USA, comes with a full lifetime warranty,┬*and if it proves reliable it can be used for home defense with the proper rounds until I get a 12ga pump

    Thanks for posting all of your stories, allowing me to post here, and for taking the time to read all of this.┬* I would truly appreciate any and all thoughts and critiques regarding my reactions to the jerk of a magazine salesguy.

    Have a great day ┬*!
    Just some thoughts;

    I know nothing about the validity of the above story, but it reminds me of something I have heard before.

    On the old "Packing.org", not long before it went the way of all the world, there were a rash of new posters that posted these long intricate stories, where they almost had to use their gun.

    They used a lot of buzz words in a story akin to what you would see in a creative writing class, where the person had done some research, and wanted to show off what they had learned.

    It was the consensus that the stories were the work of one or more "wannabees". These wannabees always asked for comments at the end of their stories so that we would stroke their egos.

    To make each story look a littl different he or she would alter their typing style by using all caps or all lower case, to much punctuation or to little, but there were always tell tale similarities.

    We had a story on the forum, just yesterday, from a new member in Michigan, that had a lot of similarities to the one above.

    In that story the poster had seen a woman being beaten. He had stopped and the mear sight of his holstered gun had sent th bad guys scampering off. It closed with the tell tale, "How did I do?"

    Again these are just thoughts.

    In closing, I just want to add;

    Isaiah 29:4 w25-36,

    ...thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit...

    Humm. Are we feeding a T?

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    Decoligny- Thanks for the tips on the Hi-Point I'm already on the forum over there, so I've read a few of them, but I'll do some more research tonight.

    Sa45auto- I'm sorry if I gave the impression of being a troll, but I was completely unaware of the trolls you describe. I don't know what I can offer for credentials, except to say that I use the same username on www.hipointfirearmsforum.com, www.gunandgame.com, www.f-16.net, and I have my own small space on the internet - www.parrotheadjeff.com. I've already got a post up on my blog about the AK-47 and one up on gunandgame.com about the Steyr M95. I'll be posting to the blog shortly about the Steyr as well. I hope that checking some other places I've posted and comparing the writing styles might lessen your concern about me being a troll. If there's anything else I can do, please let me know via PM.

    That said, the story you read above is the honest truth the best I can tell it. The writing style is the way I write. The all caps was emphasis at 2:00 AM. Please notice that I make no claims of scaring the guy off in any way and went out of my way to say that he never saw the gun and that I was happy about that.

    The request for comments is there because it was an honest request, not some means to stroke my ego. If I could have done something better, I'd like to know about it and after reading everyone else's stories I figured that people around here would have an idea of what might be better.

    Since I'm planning on carrying my Hi-Point (at least out in the desert)and probably some other handgun in the future, I'll be sticking around the site and hope to chat with both of you at some time in the future.

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    Sa45auto wrote:
    Just some thoughts;

    I know nothing about the validity of the above story, but it reminds me of something I have heard before.

    On the old "Packing.org", not long before it went the way of all the world, there were a rash of new posters that posted these long intricate stories, where they almost had to use their gun.

    They used a lot of buzz words in a story akin to what you would see in a creative writing class, where the person had done some research, and wanted to show off what they had learned.

    It was the consensus that the stories were the work of one or more "wannabees". These wannabees always asked for comments at the end of their stories so that we would stroke their egos.

    To make each story look a littl different he or she would alter their typing style by using all caps or all lower case, to much punctuation or to little, but there were always tell tale similarities.

    We had a story on the forum, just yesterday, from a new member in Michigan, that had a lot of similarities to the one above.

    In that story the poster had seen a woman being beaten. He had stopped and the mear sight of his holstered gun had sent th bad guys scampering off. It closed with the tell tale, "How did I do?"

    Again these are just thoughts.

    In closing, I just want to add;

    Isaiah 29:4 w25-36,

    ...thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit...

    Humm. Are we feeding a T?
    My guess is...yup!

    Dad and the Boy Scouts taught me firearms safety and how to shoot, but Dad also taught me something the Boy Scouts never even mentioned
    Funny two of these recent posts mention the Boy Scouts...I guess it could be a coincidence, but something tells me it isn't...

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    USAF_MetalChris,

    What do I have to do to not be considered a troll? What do I have to do to show that I'm not that person who wrote the other posts? Have you considered that maybe I'm actually telling the truth?

    The reason I mentioned the Boy Scouts is that they did teach me to shoot along with Dad. Troop 610 in Poway, California. Mataguay Scout Reservation in Santa Ysabel, CA. .22 bolt action rifles, shotguns, and black powder.

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    I don't think you're a troll, but maybe a smurf.

    Call me cynical.

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    USAF_MetalChris wrote:
    .....Funny two of these recent posts mention the Boy Scouts...I guess it could be a coincidence, but something tells me it isn't...
    The samething struck me, and it also struck me that the references, were in a context or phrasing that was incongruent with the way a scout or former scout talks. (I am an old scout)

    I like a good story, probably more than most, but.........

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    Folks, they're not posting from the same computer.

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    USAF_MetalChris,

    I can understand being a cynic I hope that postings later on in these forums might show that I'm who and what I say I am.

    Sa45auto,

    I don't know what you mean about someone not writing or talking like a Boy Scout. I'm 31 years old now and it's been quite a while since I put on a Boy Scout uniform. As for my writing style, please check the links I posted earlier. Aside from not being in Scouting for many years now, my writing style has evolved over the past few years based partly on what I've read (meaning incorporating parts of a style I like) and also what I must write on a daily basis. I work for a large telecommunications company in the data repair department doing second level technical support. I have to note every trouble ticket in as clear, complete, and correct manner as possible. I try to leave very little out of my notes there and I tend to do the same when writing anywhere else.

    So, is there any other sort of way I can show I'm not a troll who's just hungry for love and affection??? In all seriousness, I'd like to set the record straight. Tell me how. If not, please at least address me in your replies rather than just postulating to the internet that something seems fishy. I figure any forum member deserves the basic respect of a direct answer, especially when they're new to a forum, don't know many if any of the members, and may not know the unwritten rules.

    Over on F-16.net, we get our fair share of newbies who come out and in their first post either say that the F-16 sucks, the F-22 sucks, or that America sucks in which case we ask them to back it up or will counter their arguments with facts. They'll also start asking questions about nuclear weapons or the way the consent system on the F-16 or another jet works to enable their use. Another favorite topic for first posts that generates suspicion is when someone starts asking all about radar cross sections and stealth materials etc. The usual response will be something humorous, but with a reply to the person who posted telling them that these topics are not normally discussed due to OPSEC (operational security) concerns and it's done in a polite manner. At least that's how I and my buddies the admins over there do it.

    If I broke some sort of unwritten rule around here, I am sorry for causing anyone offense.

    The request for comments was a true request for any positive or negative feedback on the situation and how I handled it. If I had for example screwed up by switching the safety off for example or by not telling the guy I had a gun and to leave me alone, I would have welcomed those comments along with any that said I did right. I'm of the opinion that I did the right thing in the situation I posted. I just wanted the opinions of anyone else who knows more and/or might have found themselves in a similar situation.

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    BobCav,

    Thanks for the assistance with that post

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    BobCav wrote:
    Folks, they're not posting from the same computer.
    Let mebe the first to apologize for anything I said that was in anyway inaccurate.

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    Thanks for the assistance with that post
    No problem. The bouncers at the door and big and intimidating, but once inside you'll see we're a great bunch. Passionate about Truth, Justice and the American Way... (cue Superman music)

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    Guys ... Parrothead has contacted me and provided his full contact info including name, address and phone number. They all check out.

    You may doubt his story if you wish, but he isn't a troll.

    PS. Welcome aboard Parrothead !!! People here are cautious but once you are a part of the forum, you will find that there isn't a better group of pro-gun enthusiasts anywhere on the internet!!!




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    Parrothead, don't worry about it, this forum is a tough one sometimes, you just gotta ignore the crap when it occurs. Alot of emotionalism going on around here, and macho posturing, or whatever it all is. I have noticed it from the start and I just try to ignore it.

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    Welcome to the forum Parrothead!
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    Parrothead, don't worry about it, this forum is a tough one sometimes, you just gotta ignore the crap when it occurs. Alot of emotionalism going on around here, and macho posturing, or whatever it all is. I have noticed it from the start and I just try to ignore it.
    That's funny, I never really noticed it until now. (lol)

    Boy, I'm glad I never got any of this crap from yall.

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    WhiteRabbit22 wrote:
    ......Boy, I'm glad I never got any of this crap from yall.
    Real self defense situations are rare, and new posters usually just sort of slide into the flow, so when you get not 1 but 3 new posters jump in with both feet, with long involved self defense stories, It starts some of us wondering about the reality of things.



    Those who have been here awhile pretty much like everyone. We are like brothers and sisters, and like brothers and sisters, we some times like to scrap a little bit.

    Our views are all fairly consistent, so we sometimes spend some time arguing about semantics.

    I would almost bet (and I know its true for me) that some times if somebody says its white, someone else will say its black and we will use logic, quotes and what ever to make our point.

    The next time that issue comes up, we might find ourselves on the other side of the coin.

    Then when 3 new guys come along and don't fit the normal mode for new members, some of us little kids, look for a scrap with our new brothers and sisters.

    Parrothead, welcome and just hang on and have fun and don't take anything any of us say to seriously.

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    Fact is, you can never tell if any given forum member is a complete phony. For all you guys know, I could be some super secret service agent from MI6 with a double-oh number, or whatever.

    The mods can get my IP and figure out where I usually post from, and some of you have met me in person, but what does that really tell you? And those of you who haven't even met me don't know nuthin'.

    So if I come on here and tell some BS story, maybe it's true and maybe it's not. Without a police report there's no way for you to tell one way or the other.

    So any story you hear only on the net should be treated as a hypothetical.

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    Parrothead wrote:
    Over on F-16.net, we get our fair share of newbies who come out and in their first post either say that the F-16 sucks, the F-22 sucks, or that America sucks in which case we ask them to back it up or will counter their arguments with facts.
    You'll get the same here. Some here think America sucks, cops suck, gov't sucks, wear tinfoil on your head because "they" are spying on us, blah blah blah. Welcome though, and good luck....




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    First off, I'd like to say a big thank you to the BobCav and jpierce for the assistance I'd also like to thank Sa45auto for the later replies, especially the welcome. I know how it can be on other forums (heck even at work) when a discussion between friends gets animated - and yeah,I've had a few "animateddiscussions" with my brother and sister, too :P! Of course, a big thank you to all the rest who posted kind words and welcomes, too.

    Like I've said before, I apologize for ruffling feathers and such, it was not my intention to do so and after a nice PM exchange with BobCav and reading some of the later posts, I can understand where the suspicion comes from.

    I figure I should also tell you all what prompted this post in the first place as it might help with understanding. There's anothe post (Tomahawk wrote what I consider to be a great post about what is posted on the internet:

    Fact is, you can never tell if any given forum member is a complete phony. For all you guys know, I could be some super secret service agent from MI6 with a double-oh number, or whatever.

    The mods can get my IP and figure out where I usually post from, and some of you have met me in person, but what does that really tell you? And those of you who haven't even met me don't know nuthin'.

    So if I come on here and tell some BS story, maybe it's true and maybe it's not. Without a police report there's no way for you to tell one way or the other.

    So any story you hear only on the net should be treated as a hypothetical.
    I would have to agree with him here. As this relates to my story, I'll stand by it, but it's definitely up to the reader to believe it or not although I would appreciate the benefit of the doubt

    Thanks again guys (and gals?) and I'll see ya all around the boards !

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    nitrovic wrote:
    Parrothead wrote:
    Over on F-16.net, we get our fair share of newbies who come out and in their first post either say that the F-16 sucks, the F-22 sucks, or that America sucks in which case we ask them to back it up or will counter their arguments with facts.


    You'll get the same here. Some here think America sucks, cops suck, gov't sucks, wear tinfoil on your head because "they" are spying on us, blah blah blah. Welcome though, and good luck....
    No real response, just wanted to make sure yourwords were quoted so you couldn't delete them later as has been done so many times in the past. (posters remorse?) For someone that has such a dislike for so manymembers and topics of this forum and is quite theantagonist in the true sense of the word, you sure do hang around here a lot and have a lot to say...then delete it. What's thatall about?




    Parrothead, a tin foil hat is not required unless you really prefer it. I DO recommend a couple rolls of duct tape to keep your head from exploding when you read some posts from some members. You'll see "DUCT TAPE ALERT" every now and then.

    The forum is really quite self-moderating and we like it that way and only really intervene when things get out of control. Do things get heated? You betcha! And we love it as long as it remains respectful.

    While we can't possibly catch everything, we don't allow anti-LEO or anti government posts. Posting on an incident where you think the LEO may have done wrong, or could have done better is not Anti-LEO, but again there are those that will label you and profile you anyway.

    Bottom line is thatpostsmade anywhere on the internet are archived all over the WWW in a matter of seconds(check out the Wayback Machine sometime! Really cool stuff from many years ago)and we're not responsible for your words, nor do we condone those behaviors or activities.

    Anything youpost anywhere on the web can and will be used against you if an when necessary and it has happened to folks on other gun forums already. We get the occasionalanti-government types here and they don't last long. To be certain almost every pro-gun forum has been and is scrutinized by BATF, DOJ, TSA and/or DHS and many have openly stated their records show hits from those very govt computer systems.But relax,they're not looking for disgruntled citizens or everyone alive would be suspect. They know what fits the profile and they're very good at finding it.They're looking for those that meet certain profiles like this wackjob: http://www.youtube.com/user/biosbasher

    We also have our share of antagonists who when cornered with the truth only attempt to discredit OCDO with complete lies and falsifications. We've dealt with so many of them in the past it isn't funny. We get thosewhoposthypothetical scenarios, news articles and other provokingitems simply to test our responses and then are never satisfied with any response.Should just one member then have a negative response they classify the whole forum as anti-this or anti-that and it merely serves tojustify their hatred and fear of us. The only answer is to ignore them.

    One thing you'll notice fast is that OC is a HUGE hypocrite detector! It consistently and quite efficientlydraws outthose that either don't know the law orignore it in favor of their own opinion or political agenda.Be it an Anti, apoor government official that ignores the laws,new LEO or one that justdoesn't know the law regarding OC, one that may be a bit badge-heavy, oreven some CC'ers that are violently against OC, it most certainly detects them all.For the life of me,I can't understandwho could possibly be threatened by a responsible citizen that knows the law and takes responsibility for themselves? Isn't that what we're all supposed to strive to be?

    Those that abuse their authority and position are most certainly the super minority, the real exception, but as OC'ers we tend to find them faster and more often than otherwise possible.It's just how it works. Itdoesn't make us anti-anything.In fact, last I checked, it makes up responsible citizens. There are thosethat would have all of America blindly trust in their gracious and almighty power, happily accepting their word as law and not understanding why all of America isn't praising and glorifying them every single day. They don't want Citizens, they want subjects who will happily bow down andsubjugate to their will.

    We are quite a patriotic lot, and have many former military who have actually pledged their lives to protect the nation and many members that still are, even in Iraq (God bless them all). I was taught at a young age that a responsible citizen actually takes an ACTIVE role in our government, in that "animated contest of freedom", who KNOWS the laws, acts to change them when necessary andrecommends new ones when the need arisesthrough their elected representatives.

    Again, welcome aboard and have fun!

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    nitrovic, thanks for the reply I figure that the internet is just like anywhere else in the world and reminds me of Forrest Gump - it's like a box of chocolates in that you never know what you're gonna get. The internet and forums in particular exposes everyone to people that they'd never "meet" in everyday life which means that you'll get some crazies, some whackjobs andtinfoil hat types along with the Marines, Airmen, Sailors, Soldiers, Coasties (I can say Coastie - my brother was a Coastie :P ), good LEOs like Dad, shopkeepers, teachers, firemen, EMS, and even tech support guys like me

    BobCav, sounds like you and nitrovichave a history. I'll stay out of that situation

    Everything you have to say about OCDO tells me that this is the type of place I like to hang out and I can't find a thing I disagree with there I know the BATFE and just about every other acronym government agency and organization monitors this forum just like they monitor F-16.net and many of the other sites I visit on a regular basis. Oh yeah, I also know abut just how quckly stuff is picked up by the catalog servers and archived, too. I figure I don't have to worry since I think about everything twice before I hit submit and I have no criminal or bad intentions towards anyone or anything. I'm going to try to get my C&R license from the BATFE pretty soon, so that'll put me front and center with them. It doesn't bother me. Heck, I figure I'm already on the government radar as I'm a member of the Road Runners Internationale and I'm sending in my paperwork to the CIA so I can shop in the CIA's EAA online gift shop through them. I also decided it would be fun to drive out to the signs on Groom Lake Road that tell you not to go any farther towards Area 51 and wave at the guards. Funny, they didn't wave back :? Given the looks of their binoculars, I'd say they got a very good look at my license plates. I also volunteer at the Nellis Airshow "Aviation Nation" every yearso I know they've already checked me out at Nellis Base Security. Like I said, I'm not a threat to them in any way other than trying to get better gun laws and such, so I'm not worried

    Thanks again and have a great day!

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    As for the OP, I'd suggest looking into JHPs for the AK... I doubt you'd have many overpenetration problems there. Now, if you had a .30-06, I think we might have to start talking about overpenetation...

    Otherwise, from the story you acted properly and responsibly. Some people might have suggested that you just start blasting through the door since obviously that person wanted to murder you. But they're not going to pay the bills from your lawyer and/or therepist.


    As to the OT discussion, the problem lies in when the "government" betrays its constitutionally-defined definition. The BATFE has no right to exist (not to mention the DEA as well), and about 99% of those in public office need to be tried for treason. And the good American citizens need to arm themselves for the day when the aforementioned jack-booted thugs come around to do a Waco on them and their families because they don't accept unquestioningly the actions of said "government". If that makes me anti-government, so be it; I'm just pro-America.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Fact is, you can never tell if any given forum member is a complete phony. For all you guys know, I could be some super secret service agent from MI6 with a double-oh number, or whatever.

    The mods can get my IP and figure out where I usually post from, and some of you have met me in person, but what does that really tell you? And those of you who haven't even met me don't know nuthin'.

    So if I come on here and tell some BS story, maybe it's true and maybe it's not. Without a police report there's no way for you to tell one way or the other.

    So any story you hear only on the net should be treated as a hypothetical.
    Oh so true........The great anonymity of the net

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