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    There was a big rally downtown this past weekend and the "free tibet" crowd actually clashed a bit with supporters of the Beijing Olympics. My own personal views on the matter make no difference, as I was merely there taking pictures.

    After I felt I had gotten the shots I needed, I went back to my car, dumped my camera and press credentials, switched from CC to OC, and went back to talk with people on both sides.

    I had a very interesting conversation with an uber-socialist "free tibet" hippie, at the end of the conversation I asked him 2 main questions:

    Me: "Should Tibet try to violently overthrow their Chinese rulers?"

    Hippie: "Absolutely."

    Me: "Should law-abiding US Citizens have the right to own and carry firearms?"

    Hippie: "No, it creates a more dangerous society."

    Me: "And you don't see any contradiction between those two answers?"

    Hippie: "No, it's a completely different situation."

    Me: "You don't think an armed revolution will EVER be required again in this country?"

    Hippie: "You have a gun!"

    Me: "Yes sir I do. I own it and carry in in accordance with Utah law."

    Hippie: "You shouldn't just carry it like that..." (turns and walks away)

    I was kind of disappointed since I had been enjoying our conversation up to this point. I am genuinely interested in why people think the way they do, even when I disagree with their views.

    Just goes to reinforce the stance that most people's idea of "tolerance" is actually "my way or the highway"... oh bother...

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    I'm firmly on the side of religious freedom (andarming) Tibet. If the USA doesn't boycott the summerolympics I'm ashamed. Its sad that even France is taking a stand on the olympics, but the USA isn't.

    What bugs me personally is the "Berkeley Types" focus on Tibet only, while ignoring the persecution of other faiths and religions. What about North Korea, China, Sudan, Packistan, etc., where people are killed every day for their faith? You never see any "Free North Korea" stickers, or "Free China"? Isn't this hypocritical?


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    combatcarry wrote:
    I'm firmly on the side of religious freedom (andarming) Tibet. If the USA doesn't boycott the summerolympics I'm ashamed. Its sad that even France is taking a stand on the olympics, but the USA isn't.

    What bugs me personally is the "Berkeley Types" focus on Tibet only, while ignoring the persecution of other faiths and religions. What about North Korea, China, Sudan, Packistan, etc., where people are killed every day for their faith? You never see any "Free North Korea" stickers, or "Free China"? Isn't this hypocritical?
    I completely agree with you! Well said.

    and just to clarify, when I mentioned people who have views that I disagree with, I was talking about armed US citizens, not Tibet. I reread that last part and thought it might be easy for someone to interpret that incorrectly.

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    ScottyT wrote:
    Me: "You don't think an armed revolution will EVER be required again in this country?"

    Hippie: "You have a gun!"
    Was this the moment when he noticed your sidearm? Or just when he decided to bring it up?

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    swillden wrote:
    Was this the moment when he noticed your sidearm? Or just when he decided to bring it up?
    This was when he actually noticed it. I OC at 3:30/4:00 and when I am just standing still my arm is blocking it. Not sure how he missed it for the first ~3 minutes of our conversation.... just condition white like the rest of the sheeple I guess...

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    That is awesome and classic Scotty! Before I finished reading your post that is exactly what I pre-judged and "stereotyped" the guy would say!!

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