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    Are there any regulations on how a business that serves alcohol for consumption displays their ABC sticker on the doorway? For example, I walked into a Chipotle while conceal carrying and didn't realize they serve beer and margaritas there. I had not seen any sticker on the door before walking in, and when I left I double checked and there where no stickers on the door. Also went to Taste of Tandoor in Woodbridge and same thing, no sticker or plaque on the door. Most places you can pretty much tell by the appearance they serve alcohol, but I never realized Chipotle did, The Chipotle was on Sudley in Manassas if anyone has been before.


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    If ever in doubt, whip it out

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    Why would you talk about commiting a class 1 misdemeanor on the internet?

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    That's true to a certain extent...but I wouldn't post it on a public forum afterwards.

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    This is part of the problem with VA restaurant ban on concealed carry - almost every restaurant serving decnet food in VA serves alcohol and does not notify customers of this activilty!

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    CRF250rider1000 wrote:
    If ever in doubt, whip it out
    Well if you whip it out after you are already in the restaurant, then you are admitting to having broken the law in front of God and everybody. If you realize you are CCing in a place that serves alcohol, I think the best thing to do is just get out of there.

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    Mike wrote:
    This is part of the problem with VA restaurant ban on concealed carry - almost every restaurant serving decnet food in VA serves alcohol and does not notify customers of this activilty!


    Begging the Captain's pardon,

    If "almost every" eatery serving decent food also serves alcohol, do we not open ourselves to having our stern raked by those scaliwag anti-s claiming we're too dumb to realize that notification of this activitywouldn't really benecessary?

    Wanting to keep good relations between the ship's company and the lubbers, I just assume any decent restaurant does serve alcohol. Haven't overshot yet.
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    No no I meant before ever entering the resturaunt. Sorry for the confusion. After establishing that they do not serve alcohol you could conceal it or just remember it for next time.

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    As a restaurant manager myself, I can tell you, there is no such ABC sticker. You may be confusing it with the business license which has to be posted on teh front door, but that is the same for a restaurant with or without an ABC on premise license.

    There is an ABC permit which has to be displayed but you usually would not see this permit anywhere near the front door. Mine is technically in teh dining room/Lounge area, but it is on a wall facing the kitchen. You also have to have ABC managers posted, but my particular restaurant does this with a listing of Managers at the front door that simply says "Managers" and not "ABC managers"...

    As the line between casual dining and fast food becomes mroe and more blurred, I would say the best approach is to OC until you know... Or maybe we could get a friggin' common sense law passed... Don't even get me started on the garbage they almost passed this year...

    (BTW, If anyone is wondering which restaurant, I'm DesertDoc's boss, but sometimes I wonder who's in charge of who... )

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    OK, so I have an ignorant question -- if you walk into a place you do not know serves alcohol, and upon learning that it does, you immediately exit (even if you return a few moments later OC), you're still a criminal? Isn't this the exact kind of example we want to demonstrate that unreasonably incriminates law-abiding citizens, in the name of catching a criminal?

    It's so frustrating, these extreme views. Everyone knows about computers viruses and spywares, etc. So how do you 100% guarantee you prevent every virus and spyware from entering your computer? Shut it off, un plug it, set it in the corner. If you do so, you are guaranteed to never get another virus or spyware on that computer. It's not very useful anymore, but you accomplished your goal - at ANY cost.

    It is not useful to society to enact a law that catches one real criminal, but in the process also criminalizes the nondangerous activities of law abiding citizens! Obviously I'm pro-gun, but I feel like this is a middle-ground that should be easily agreeable and recognized by those who might oppose some of the views I share with many members of this forum. Am I just too biased, or are anti's just too extreme? -- or am I?!

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    You have 3 options to be safe, OC everywhere, dont carry at all, or look up the establishment on VABC license finder.
    http://www.abc.virginia.gov/licensee...=retaillicense


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    longwatch wrote:
    You have 3 options to be safe, OC everywhere, dont carry at all, or look up the establishment on VABC license finder.
    http://www.abc.virginia.gov/licensee...=retaillicense
    Fantastic resource if you want to do your homework on a place you don't know...

    I did just think of one ABC sign that is posted on the front door: ABC Application for Permit. If the restaurant is in the process of applying for a license to sell on or off premises, there is a bright colored sign posted on the door during the process. At least this will notify you if a place that was once not serving alcohol is about to change to "ABC On".

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    Sounds like it is time, in the name of SAFETY and FOR THE CHILDREN to push for a bill requiring that restaurants (at least in Stanislaw's district) post AT EVERY ENTRANCE that they serve alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises . Innocent CHILDREN may walk into these restaurants and not realize that they are surrounded by evil alcohol that will have a curropting influence on their fragile little minds.

    I think such signs should be at least 11 X 14 with lettering at least 1" high (anti-gun posting requirement in MO) in contrasting color stating: WARNING - This establishment serves alcohol for on premise consumption. Alcohol consumption has been proven fatal in some circumstances. Enter at your own risk.

    They can throw that up next to their gun-free zone signs. And actually, I am not kidding. Since the governor vetoed the means for citizens to legally and easily carry, it is incumbent on the legislature and governor to provide a manner of alerting said citizens that they are entering a restricted zone. The only way for the citizen to know for sure is to have the place posted. And as part of the bill, let's make sure it includes a provision that any CPL holder who enters an ABC establishment which is NOT posted is barred from prosecution, however, the Owners/President/CEO and the General Manager of the unposted establishment are all guilty of committing a class 1 misdemeanor for inciting the commission of a crime by their negligent failure to follow the restaurant posting statute.

    Just proposing that law, the public whining of the restaurant owners and Stanislaw will clearly show the double standard they want maintained. It will be a public relations nightmare for them if handled properly on our side.
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    I've OC'd to that Chipotle's, the one over by BR and the one on Prince William County Parkway. Even with the long lines (that depending on the ability for the customers in front of you to order correctly) that you'll encounter I've never had a situation where anyone had an issue with the holstered display of my firearm.

    I know they sell beer but maybe one day I'll try the margaritas. =)

    As a general rule unless I already know for a fact that they aren't an ABC facility, I OC. But, then again I OC *everywhere*.



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    I had a business dinner meeting a few weeks ago at Panera. Never been in one, so I called. No alcohol sold. I cc'd in and oc'd during my meal and got all kinds of funny looks.
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    I'm glad someone brought this up. Ya' know, years ago (I'm talkin' 30 or more), restaurants (a lot of 'em, anyway) used to have these glowing red neon signs prominently displayed in their windows and storefronts that would read "A.B.C. ON / OFF".

    I remember asking my Dad what that meant, and he told methat if both "ON" and "OFF" were lit up,the establishment could sell alcohol to take off of the premises as well as sell and serve alcohol for on site consumption. If only one was lit, then that was their only option to sell.

    Now, I don't know if that is exactly correct, but it made sense to me, and since Dad said it, it"had" to be so.

    Maybe Grapeshot, Peter Nap, Mike,Longwatch, and some of the other "Virginia (how shall I put this without aging someone and still show respect) Gentlemen" remember what I'm talking about, and can elaborate.

    I'm not sure it was a law that they had to display that type of sign, but I think it was probably great advertisement, and on one hand that might be a good sign for persons wanting to carry, either way.

    What say you, my good fellow "Virginia Gentlemen"?

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    tapper95 wrote:
    (BTW, If anyone is wondering which restaurant, I'm DesertDoc's boss, but sometimes I wonder who's in charge of who... )
    OK - that does it - we're doing an Open Carry Dining Out in YOUR joint - but only when John is working - so we need a schedule and directions....

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    sidestreet wrote:
    What say you, my good fellow "Virginia Gentlemen"?
    I remember those signs. Still see one occasionally; but not in NoVA.

    I always understood them to be advertising.

    My favorite places. Parking lots always full of beat up Mercuries and pick up trucks. Signs that said "Shirt and Shoes Required" (I know that if they have to tell their clientele to wear shirts and shoes, its my kind of place!) Half the time there'd be some sort of hound in the front seat of the truck.

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    What say you, my good fellow "Virginia Gentlemen"?
    I remember those signs. Still see one occasionally; but not in NoVA.

    I always understood them to be advertising.

    My favorite places. Parking lots always full of beat up Mercuries and pick up trucks. Signs that said "Shirt and Shoes Required" (I know that if they have to tell their clientele to wear shirts and shoes, its my kind of place!) Half the time there'd be some sort of hound in the front seat of the truck.

    Yes, sir. Nothin' like the South.
    Even better are the places that will serve you with no shoes or shirt. I know there are still a couple in the Northern Neck, and at least one in Front Royal. Never taken advantage of it, though.

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    Bubba Ron wrote:
    tapper95 wrote:
    (BTW, If anyone is wondering which restaurant, I'm DesertDoc's boss, but sometimes I wonder who's in charge of who... )
    OK - that does it - we're doing an Open Carry Dining Out in YOUR joint - but only when John is working - so we need a schedule and directions....
    Thursday would be best.

    I'm down.

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    sidestreet wrote:
    I'm glad someone brought this up. Ya' know, years ago (I'm talkin' 30 or more), restaurants (a lot of 'em, anyway) used to have these glowing red neon signs prominently displayed in their windows and storefronts that would read "A.B.C. ON / OFF_______________________________________________ ______________
    I remember asking my Dad what that meant, and he told methat if both "ON" and "OFF" were lit up,the establishment could sell alcohol to take off of the premises as well as sell and serve alcohol for on site consumption. If only one was lit, then that was their only option to sell.
    __________________________________________________ ___________
    Maybe Grapeshot, Peter Nap, Mike,Longwatch, and some of the other "Virginia (how shall I put this without aging someone and still show respect) Gentlemen" remember what I'm talking about, and can elaborate.
    __________________________________________________ ___________
    What say you, my good fellow "Virginia Gentlemen"?
    First - I don't know about being a gentleman - thought I was just behaven'.

    Re: Neon ABC signs
    ABC ON = We serve it and you drink it here.
    ABC OFF = We sell it to go, carry out.

    Some establishments turned off their signs when they were closing for the day.
    Others keep their signs on all of the time for the advertising benfits.
    And in the "olden days" you could CC in all of these fine emporiums.

    We also had "private clubs" where we would bring in our own bottle which was stored in a locker behind the bar and the club would sell "set ups" (soda etc.) or some allowed "brown bagging" wherein the bottle could not appear unwrapped on the table. ABC agents would check these clubs regularly too.

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    I remember seeing the ABC ON OFF signs when I was in grammar school. I always asked my dad what they meant, and all I remember is him cracking a joke about having someone who could read on site.

    Good to know what they meant.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Sounds like it is time, in the name of SAFETY and FOR THE CHILDREN to push for a bill requiring that restaurants (at least in Stanislaw's district) post AT EVERY ENTRANCE that they serve alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises . Innocent CHILDREN may walk into these restaurants and not realize that they are surrounded by evil alcohol that will have a curropting influence on their fragile little minds.

    I think such signs should be at least 11 X 14 with lettering at least 1" high (anti-gun posting requirement in MO) in contrasting color stating: WARNING - This establishment serves alcohol for on premise consumption. Alcohol consumption has been proven fatal in some circumstances. Enter at your own risk.

    They can throw that up next to their gun-free zone signs. And actually, I am not kidding. Since the governor vetoed the means for citizens to legally and easily carry, it is incumbent on the legislature and governor to provide a manner of alerting said citizens that they are entering a restricted zone. The only way for the citizen to know for sure is to have the place posted. And as part of the bill, let's make sure it includes a provision that any CPL holder who enters an ABC establishment which is NOT posted is barred from prosecution, however, the Owners/President/CEO and the General Manager of the unposted establishment are all guilty of committing a class 1 misdemeanor for inciting the commission of a crime by their negligent failure to follow the restaurant posting statute.

    Just proposing that law, the public whining of the restaurant owners and Stanislaw will clearly show the double standard they want maintained. It will be a public relations nightmare for them if handled properly on our side.
    I would add another proposal to your law, requiring restaurant patrons to don an international orange armband if they are driving a car. Those patrons will be prohibited fom drinking alcoholic beverages. If they attempt to drink said beverages, they will be guilty of a Class 6 Felony.

    Any restaurant employee that willingly serves an alcoholic beverage to a person driving a vehicle will also be found guilty of a Class 6 Felony.

    Anyway...... After buying my youngest daughter her first rifle last week, (a sweet little Mossberg .22 plinkster that will be painted pink) we went to Silver Diner in Newport News. I entered and saw absolutely NO INDICATION that they served alcohol there.

    We sat in a nice booth in the back and THEN I saw beer bottles on display! Oh Sh%T! I immediately took off my over shirt...

    There SHOULD be a requirement for all places that serve alcohol to prominently display an ABC licence or better yet, sign outside of the entrance. I could have been charged for CC in a restaurant that serves alcohol even if I didn't know they had an ABC licence! My daughter is 12 and even she said that this CC law is stupid!
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    I would be careful with what i say out here as the walls do have ears and the eyes can see miles ahead past the horizon...........

    Other than that....OC when you are not to sure....considering that it is the LAW now...it's fourth of July...

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