BillMCyrus
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Something I realized recently is that we not only need the people exactly where we are at the time to support us, but also members of our families as well. Their vote counts just as much as your or mine, they talk a lot, know a lot of people and talk to them, and so on. I've been wanting to nudge my family over to our side for some time, and it's a slow process since I'm literally starting from square one. Last week was a monumental breakthrough towards reaching my inlaws with the message of self defense. Perhaps this might be of some use to you folks. As you know, we have a lot more people out there who simply haven't ever stepped a toe into our world.
I flew up to Philadelphia with my sidearm for the first time, having gotten my PA LCTF (local name for CCW/CHL) and always preferring to carry when and where I can if at all possible. Even more to the point there's been a bit of a spike in crime lately in the SE PA area. They've known me for four years, knew thus far that I've been a lifelong firearm owner and experienced hunter and shooter, trust me quite well and accept me as their son. I think they even knew to some degree that I had given my soon-to-be wife a rifle to keep under the bed for home defense in the few months that we were parted due to her work training. However they knew nothing of civilian carry rights and that I had for a while had my CCW in Alabama and had been carrying my sidearm every day for months before being relocated to the PRK. So once back in the free world and also as a particular local precaution my holster once again resumed its rightful place on my hip. There it stayed, completely unknown to anyone but me and my adoring soon-to-be wife who was flying in a few days later, until a couple of days in...
I was in the kitchen there at the house on Tuesday night shaping up soem burger patties to grill that evening with the mother in law cleaning a few dishes as a I worked. I gave her a sniff of the mix of spices and herbs I was working into the burgers. She thanked me for the good work and gave me a nice pat on the lower back...RIGHT ON MY GUN.
Now this is someone who had absolutely zero family or personal acquaintances who owned any form of firearms even for sporting purposes. Someone who her whole life had voted Donkey party for everything, never once questioning it. Someone immersed in a sea of neocommunism, a card carrying member of the poverty class victimized by the upper class--by reason of money situation and family struggles over the years misinterpreted as medieval class oppression rather than lack of personal financial soundness, lacking education of the latter and sadly suckered in by all the political rhetoric of the former. A person distant from the idea of the robust and capable American by way of living in concrete all her life and strong family encapsulation which although having created a loving, caring, sensitive and loyal person all but erased the concept of the empowered, hardy, self determinate individual. A person whose faith and extremely strong religious devotion had unfortunately turned abundance of charity, reliance upon divine sovereignty, and goodness towards people into a nailed in doctrine of pacifism and helplessness.
In short, a sheep. Not by being a bad person but by being who she had always been and like the people around her, literally not knowing any better.
A few minutes later as I was firing up the grill she came out and asked me in a low voice what it was that I had back there. I replied my sidearm, attempting to soften the blow, you might say. She didn't understand. She just had to life up my shirt tail and have a look. The immediate whispered but obviously shocked (though well contained, all things considered) response was "Oh my god Bill why do you have a gun?" Immediately my mind was racing but at the same time it's something I've written volumes on so I felt up to the task. A little impromptu, I know, but I suppose if the need for self defense is on the spot I guess it's only fair that the perpetuation of it be quick, on the spot, and definitive. So I gave it all I had and then some.
I started out saying that I have for a while and have a license to do so. It's a priority to protect myself wherever I am because I am important to her daughter Melissa as well as to herself and the rest of the family. If anything happened to me they would be devastated. I'm in charge of my own defense because I am protecting what is valuable to them. I immediately went to the armored car analogy as it's the one I personally find most believable. I asked her if she knew what an armored car is. Obvious answer is yes. The guards are carrying guns because they're carrying bags of cash. Perfectly reasonable, right? Accepted by most people at very least, so good enough. Now, I asked her, if the same guard was holding a bag of cash in one and I was on the other side of the guard and someone threatened them which she'd rather be lost, me or the money. A threat to my life is the same as robbing them of me. She'd rather keep me, naturally. OK, how about me versus some politician, as they all have armed guards? And celebrities? Are they more meaningful to her than me? No contest there. So why then if something or someone less important than me is defended should I be any less defended? Ah, a ray of reason. I am important to all of my family, and it is my duty to them to defend myself and my fiance, and obviously I extend that protection to them as I am around. It is a decision to be responsible. Others in this world, and even right across the tracks from them--and they're 2 doors down from that--make bad decisions. Violence against people is a decision made completely without regard to who is on the other end. "Please don't" doesn't make them change their minds--any notion to the contrary is idiotic fantasy. That is simply a fact of humanity since day one. They are going to do so whatever my choice is. My decision is simply to be able to walk away and get home at the end of the day no matter what someone else's plans might attempt to alter. My family will not be hurt because of someone else's bad decisions.
They had gotten a new car recently which was parked directly in view. I pointed to it. I asked if she liked safety features. Obvious answer. Anti lock brakes, airbags, seat belts, and strong frame are all things she likes. Why? They keep you safe in the event of an accident. Not because you're more likely to get into one. You might drive 20 years and that car may never have a dent or scratch on it. But would she take out them out if she didn't "need" them? Of course not. Would she be without a safety feature if she had the option of having it? Nope. They might get hit on the way to the grocery store. If they don't it doesn't cost them anything to have it anyway, but it could cost them everything if they don't. Getting hit, slipping off the road, accidentally hitting something and so on is bad enough. They're not going to purposefully swerve into a telephone pole, but life isn't always so accommodating. The idea is to have it not get any worse from there.
That much was understood.
The rest of that night nothing further was mentioned on the matter. The next night both the parents brought it up, actually the father mentioned it first. I did a brief rehash then elaborated on how reciprocity works, out of state CCW's and how I got mine, what PA's laws allow, open carry versus concealed carry, shall issue versus may issue and how may issue is abused, and how lack of armed citizens brought about by may issue or no issue--or lack of awareness and participation as in the Philly area--is a major factor in big city crime. I explained what questions and qualifications are on the PA CCW form, what it costs, that it's perfectly openly accessible and why it should be. I once again showed them my AL license which is a little more official looking than the out of state I had. They were particularly interested in how I flew with (strangely they rarely fly....), so I gave a detailed account of that as well. It made an impact that personal firearms can be handled in a professional, courteous, orderly and lawful manner by responsible and respectable people rather than being ugly, callous tools of only evil purpose.
There were no objections or arguments from them at all. I think at very least they understand me carrying and get the general idea. It was completely new to them that someone like me or them could, so it definitely gave them a whole abundance of new information they never even had before. Her dad even helped me laminate my PA license since it's just a slip of paper no thicker than a receipt. I want both them and my sister in law (who wasn't there at the time, so I don't know how much she knows but might take more work, but I have been surprised before) to carry daily as I do because I love them as much as is evident that they love me. I can't say how quickly that will come about as they're very set in their ways but I can say that they're a lot farther along now than they were had it not been that I brought it to their attention.
Get your families on board. I should hope that they are as important to you as you are to them. Chances are if you're reading this you've long ago established that you're protecting yourself on their behalf. Ask them to do the same.
Something I realized recently is that we not only need the people exactly where we are at the time to support us, but also members of our families as well. Their vote counts just as much as your or mine, they talk a lot, know a lot of people and talk to them, and so on. I've been wanting to nudge my family over to our side for some time, and it's a slow process since I'm literally starting from square one. Last week was a monumental breakthrough towards reaching my inlaws with the message of self defense. Perhaps this might be of some use to you folks. As you know, we have a lot more people out there who simply haven't ever stepped a toe into our world.
I flew up to Philadelphia with my sidearm for the first time, having gotten my PA LCTF (local name for CCW/CHL) and always preferring to carry when and where I can if at all possible. Even more to the point there's been a bit of a spike in crime lately in the SE PA area. They've known me for four years, knew thus far that I've been a lifelong firearm owner and experienced hunter and shooter, trust me quite well and accept me as their son. I think they even knew to some degree that I had given my soon-to-be wife a rifle to keep under the bed for home defense in the few months that we were parted due to her work training. However they knew nothing of civilian carry rights and that I had for a while had my CCW in Alabama and had been carrying my sidearm every day for months before being relocated to the PRK. So once back in the free world and also as a particular local precaution my holster once again resumed its rightful place on my hip. There it stayed, completely unknown to anyone but me and my adoring soon-to-be wife who was flying in a few days later, until a couple of days in...
I was in the kitchen there at the house on Tuesday night shaping up soem burger patties to grill that evening with the mother in law cleaning a few dishes as a I worked. I gave her a sniff of the mix of spices and herbs I was working into the burgers. She thanked me for the good work and gave me a nice pat on the lower back...RIGHT ON MY GUN.
Now this is someone who had absolutely zero family or personal acquaintances who owned any form of firearms even for sporting purposes. Someone who her whole life had voted Donkey party for everything, never once questioning it. Someone immersed in a sea of neocommunism, a card carrying member of the poverty class victimized by the upper class--by reason of money situation and family struggles over the years misinterpreted as medieval class oppression rather than lack of personal financial soundness, lacking education of the latter and sadly suckered in by all the political rhetoric of the former. A person distant from the idea of the robust and capable American by way of living in concrete all her life and strong family encapsulation which although having created a loving, caring, sensitive and loyal person all but erased the concept of the empowered, hardy, self determinate individual. A person whose faith and extremely strong religious devotion had unfortunately turned abundance of charity, reliance upon divine sovereignty, and goodness towards people into a nailed in doctrine of pacifism and helplessness.
In short, a sheep. Not by being a bad person but by being who she had always been and like the people around her, literally not knowing any better.
A few minutes later as I was firing up the grill she came out and asked me in a low voice what it was that I had back there. I replied my sidearm, attempting to soften the blow, you might say. She didn't understand. She just had to life up my shirt tail and have a look. The immediate whispered but obviously shocked (though well contained, all things considered) response was "Oh my god Bill why do you have a gun?" Immediately my mind was racing but at the same time it's something I've written volumes on so I felt up to the task. A little impromptu, I know, but I suppose if the need for self defense is on the spot I guess it's only fair that the perpetuation of it be quick, on the spot, and definitive. So I gave it all I had and then some.
I started out saying that I have for a while and have a license to do so. It's a priority to protect myself wherever I am because I am important to her daughter Melissa as well as to herself and the rest of the family. If anything happened to me they would be devastated. I'm in charge of my own defense because I am protecting what is valuable to them. I immediately went to the armored car analogy as it's the one I personally find most believable. I asked her if she knew what an armored car is. Obvious answer is yes. The guards are carrying guns because they're carrying bags of cash. Perfectly reasonable, right? Accepted by most people at very least, so good enough. Now, I asked her, if the same guard was holding a bag of cash in one and I was on the other side of the guard and someone threatened them which she'd rather be lost, me or the money. A threat to my life is the same as robbing them of me. She'd rather keep me, naturally. OK, how about me versus some politician, as they all have armed guards? And celebrities? Are they more meaningful to her than me? No contest there. So why then if something or someone less important than me is defended should I be any less defended? Ah, a ray of reason. I am important to all of my family, and it is my duty to them to defend myself and my fiance, and obviously I extend that protection to them as I am around. It is a decision to be responsible. Others in this world, and even right across the tracks from them--and they're 2 doors down from that--make bad decisions. Violence against people is a decision made completely without regard to who is on the other end. "Please don't" doesn't make them change their minds--any notion to the contrary is idiotic fantasy. That is simply a fact of humanity since day one. They are going to do so whatever my choice is. My decision is simply to be able to walk away and get home at the end of the day no matter what someone else's plans might attempt to alter. My family will not be hurt because of someone else's bad decisions.
They had gotten a new car recently which was parked directly in view. I pointed to it. I asked if she liked safety features. Obvious answer. Anti lock brakes, airbags, seat belts, and strong frame are all things she likes. Why? They keep you safe in the event of an accident. Not because you're more likely to get into one. You might drive 20 years and that car may never have a dent or scratch on it. But would she take out them out if she didn't "need" them? Of course not. Would she be without a safety feature if she had the option of having it? Nope. They might get hit on the way to the grocery store. If they don't it doesn't cost them anything to have it anyway, but it could cost them everything if they don't. Getting hit, slipping off the road, accidentally hitting something and so on is bad enough. They're not going to purposefully swerve into a telephone pole, but life isn't always so accommodating. The idea is to have it not get any worse from there.
That much was understood.
The rest of that night nothing further was mentioned on the matter. The next night both the parents brought it up, actually the father mentioned it first. I did a brief rehash then elaborated on how reciprocity works, out of state CCW's and how I got mine, what PA's laws allow, open carry versus concealed carry, shall issue versus may issue and how may issue is abused, and how lack of armed citizens brought about by may issue or no issue--or lack of awareness and participation as in the Philly area--is a major factor in big city crime. I explained what questions and qualifications are on the PA CCW form, what it costs, that it's perfectly openly accessible and why it should be. I once again showed them my AL license which is a little more official looking than the out of state I had. They were particularly interested in how I flew with (strangely they rarely fly....), so I gave a detailed account of that as well. It made an impact that personal firearms can be handled in a professional, courteous, orderly and lawful manner by responsible and respectable people rather than being ugly, callous tools of only evil purpose.
There were no objections or arguments from them at all. I think at very least they understand me carrying and get the general idea. It was completely new to them that someone like me or them could, so it definitely gave them a whole abundance of new information they never even had before. Her dad even helped me laminate my PA license since it's just a slip of paper no thicker than a receipt. I want both them and my sister in law (who wasn't there at the time, so I don't know how much she knows but might take more work, but I have been surprised before) to carry daily as I do because I love them as much as is evident that they love me. I can't say how quickly that will come about as they're very set in their ways but I can say that they're a lot farther along now than they were had it not been that I brought it to their attention.
Get your families on board. I should hope that they are as important to you as you are to them. Chances are if you're reading this you've long ago established that you're protecting yourself on their behalf. Ask them to do the same.
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