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As I said, I have no problem with the national anthem, or Americas fighting force. my problem is with the rest. too often in this country, we swear oaths of allegiance to the government of this country, when in reality, the only oath that anyone should take in these United States is :

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
 
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All of the candidates suck. I'm writing in Ron Paul and desperately trying to come up with the money to buy some evil assault rifles and hi-cap magazines because whoever ends up President none of them will refuse to sign another unconstitutional limit on my RKBA.
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unreconstructed1 wrote:
As I said, I have no problem with the national anthem, or Americas fighting force. my problem is with the rest. too often in this country, we swear oaths of allegiance to the government of this country, when in reality, the only oath that anyone should take in these United States is :

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
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The pledge of allegence is not an oath to the government. It is a oath to "the republic for which it stands" and to "liberty and justice". Not to the Bush Administration.

I will say the pledge of allegence, because I do support the republic that the flag stands for, and I oppose the democracy/dictatorship that has taken it as their symbol. Yes, writing "executive orders" to avoid having to deal with congress or the constitution is what you call a "dictatorship".
 
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What a piece of shit. This only serves to further cement my views on him. Any person who won't wear an American Flag pin or put their hand over their heart during the National Anthem needs to LEAVE our ******* country, not LEAD it.
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Absolutly right! Get the hell out of our country, Mr. Hussien. Your policy of concentrating on the issues instead of your image is completly out of line. Until you stop telling us what your plans are and start wraping yourself in a flag while singing God Bless America, I will not be voting for you.
 
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Absolutly right! Get the hell out of our country, Mr. Hussien. Your policy of concentrating on the issues instead of your image is completly out of line. Until you stop telling us what your plans are and start wraping yourself in a flag while singing God Bless America, I will not be voting for you.
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stop it youre making too much sense.... :lol:
 
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Personally, I respect The Pledge of Allegiance, National Anthem, and the American Flag because they are memories of what this country used to stand for. I personally think that the lack of respect for either of these is indicative of a lack of respect for our Constitution. It is people who would rather burn the flag than respect it who want to turn America into a socialist extension of the European union. I'm not saying that respecting the symbols means that you automatically respect the Constitution, for many it is simply a show. But I do see disrespect of our American symbols as coming out of the closet if you will and publicly disregarding the American principals that our symbols stand for.
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Lack of respect for the Constitution are the laws which McCain, Hillary, and Obama have helped pass.

Standing up for a flag and song is a gesture. Their actions dictate their respect for the Constitution.

The whole "flag pin" thing is a dumbing down of the argument and doesn't mean a thing. Who gives a flying f if Obama doesn't wear a stupid pin on his jacket. It means NOTHING in the problems we are facing.

And to note, other countries with "pledges" to their "flags" are all either facsist or socialist.
 
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My pledge of allegiance:

"...and to the Republic, for which it STOOD, one Nation, under God..."

I am writing in Ron Paul, it is the only way that I will be able to participate in the democratic process (thus giving me permission to bitch for the four years) and still be able to look at myself in the mirror.
 
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hsmith wrote:
Lack of respect for the Constitution are the laws which McCain, Hillary, and Obama have helped pass.

Standing up for a flag and song is a gesture. Their actions dictate their respect for the Constitution.

The whole "flag pin" thing is a dumbing down of the argument and doesn't mean a thing. Who gives a flying f if Obama doesn't wear a stupid pin on his jacket. It means NOTHING in the problems we are facing.

And to note, other countries with "pledges" to their "flags" are all either facsist or socialist.
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I absolutely agree, nobody running has any respect for the Constitution. That's why I'm writing in Ron Paul. However I still believe that the pledge is a SYMBOL of loyalty to the Constitution. So while McCain and Hillary are liars, using the symbols to pretend that they care about the principals America was founded on, Obama is openly admitting that he doesn't care what America was or how it was founded, all he cares about his spare change.
 
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asforme wrote:

I absolutely agree, nobody running has any respect for the Constitution. That's why I'm writing in Ron Paul. However I still believe that the pledge is a SYMBOL of loyalty to the Constitution. So while McCain and Hillary are liars, using the symbols to pretend that they care about the principals America was founded on, Obama is openly admitting that he doesn't care what America was or how it was founded, all he cares about his spare change.
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That or it means he sees through the empty symbolism and is choosing not to be hypocritical by not displaying a symbol that doesn't mean anything to him. I don't wear any pins either. Not because I don't love my country, but because I feel I don't need a 2 dollar piece of tin to prove that I do.
 
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No.

I just drove through deepest NC and TN, through 'Deliverance'-like country for sixish hours - through Ron Paul Country.

Some here have damned folk for the attitudes stereotyped in 'Deliverance' but if they are the enemy then we have met them - us.

I will vote Constitution Party or write-in Ron Paul. Vote your principles and let the Devil take the hindmost.

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA LEO FOAD
 
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Pledge of Allegiance? There are stories going around about the background of this curious screed, I would look it up before embracing it.

I don't pledge allegience to anything but liberty. I swore once to defend the constitution, and will stand by that promise so long as the constitution represents security for liberty and individual rights. Flags and songs are tools of the tyrant, like any symbol, they are designed to evoke an emotional response from people, especially the simple-minded.

There's nothing wrong with showing respect for the flag, so long as you fully understand what you're doing, and which version of the flag you are supporting. The flag of a nation of individual liberty? Or the flag of a nation going over a cliff following idiots into aggressive wars and a police state? I know which one I am for, even if the numbskull next to me in a crowd of spectators doesn't.

Like the Confederate battle flag, which is frequently abused by racist a-holes, the stars and stripes is frequently abused by statists and other jingoists. In the end, these are pieces of colored cloth, mere symbols, and symbology can change, just like languages develop new dialects. But the idea of liberty and natural rights is a part of human nature and remains rooted in logic and reason no matter what. That idea is what I hold to.
 
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Candidate 1: A Bitch whom is a Lawyer married to a Jackass that is a Lawyer.

Candidate 2: A Socialist Lawyer married to a Bitch Lawyer.

Candidate 3: A War Hero married to a woman witha great rack that owns a BeerDistributorship................Hmmmmmmmmm:p.
 
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casullshooter wrote:
Candidate 1: A Bitch whom is a Lawyer married to a Jackass that is a Lawyer.

Candidate 2: A Socialist Lawyer married to a Bitch Lawyer.

Candidate 3: A War Hero married to a woman witha great rack that owns a BeerDistributorship................Hmmmmmmmmm:p.
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Candidate 3: A man thinks he has a right to limit my freedom of speech.

Being a war hero means he can be honored on Veterans day, it does not mean he understands the Constitution or is mentally capable of being president.
 
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You people scare me!

I agree that McCain is a liberal liar and political prostitute, but do you really believe that he is as bad as Hillary and Obama??? Don't you see that Obama is just plain dangerous and unpredictable and Hillary is 10 times more liberal than Bill. And it's not only one person who makes all the desicions - it's also a lot of people who come with him, from his party and each time they make any desicion they will be under a lot of pressure from their party. Do you want this party to be democrat or republican? Oh, that's right, you don't see any difference. Well, let me open your eyes - the pressure and the people who will come with a republican president, no matter how liberal he is, will still be far more conservative than those from the democratic party. And if that isn't enough, think what kind of Supreme Court Judges Obama or Hillary can appoint. McCain is a lot less dangerous.

I also like Ron Paul a lot and always supported him. But you know what? He is out! Get a grip - writing him in is a vote for democrats, like it or not. It's palin childish and it's not gonna help anyone, except for...well, Hillaryor Obama - whoever is the nomenee. I know you gonna tell me about your principles and that you should stick to them. Bullshit! You are essentially doing the exactsame that themega-liberal democratswho voted for Nader. They helped electingBush -- and they were democrats. You are following the same logic. Grow up - you can't get exactly what you want, you have to compromise in politics. McCain is a compromise, a really bad one but he is. You worried about your 2A rights? Well, he is a lot less of a threat to them, then both Obama or Hillary. And if you don't believe me - look into history. That is how strong countries were created. People would get together and give up minor disagreements for sake of fighting for the most imprtant against the join enemy. And those who stuck to all of theirprinicples and would never compromise on anything, still live in small tribes killing each other over a handful of berries for dinner.

Just think about it!!!
 
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Chaingun81 wrote:
You people scare me!

I agree that McCain is a liberal liar and political prostitute, but do you really believe that he is as bad as Hillary and Obama??? Don't you see that Obama is just plain dangerous and unpredictable and Hillary is 10 times more liberal than Bill. And it's not only one person who makes all the desicions - it's also a lot of people who come with him, from his party and each time they make any desicion they will be under a lot of pressure from their party. Do you want this party to be democrat or republican? Oh, that's right, you don't see any difference. Well, let me open your eyes - the pressure and the people who will come with a republican president, no matter how liberal he is, will still be far more conservative than those from the democratic party. And if that isn't enough, think what kind of Supreme Court Judges Obama or Hillary can appoint. McCain is a lot less dangerous.

I also like Ron Paul a lot and always supported him. But you know what? He is out! Get a grip - writing him in is a vote for democrats, like it or not. It's palin childish and it's not gonna help anyone, except for...well, Hillaryor Obama - whoever is the nomenee. I know you gonna tell me about your principles and that you should stick to them. Bullshit! You are essentially doing the exactsame that themega-liberal democratswho voted for Nader. They helped electingBush -- and they were democrats. You are following the same logic. Grow up - you can't get exactly what you want, you have to compromise in politics. McCain is a compromise, a really bad one but he is. You worried about your 2A rights? Well, he is a lot less of a threat to them, then both Obama or Hillary. And if you don't believe me - look into history. That is how strong countries were created. People would get together and give up minor disagreements for sake of fighting for the most imprtant against the join enemy. And those who stuck to all of theirprinicples and would never compromise on anything, still live in small tribes killing each other over a handful of berries for dinner.

Just think about it!!!
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I have thought about it and I'd rather write in Ron Paul and live with a Democrat than have McCain. I'll tell you why. Because the Republican party made the mistake of not caring about it's base by discrediting the only conservative candidate. So we should elect a liberal Republican and tell the Republican party that we'll put up with it? NO!!! I hope the republicans loose even more representatives and the presidency and then they will see that we want real conservatives. Yes, 4 years under a democrat would suck, but if it means that we can get a real conservative in the future I'll put up with it and vote for someone who doesn't make me sick. The only other option is to get ready for another Civil War which would be perfectly appropriate after our Constitution has been trampled.
 
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Ok, i rest my case. You just refuse to live in realityandyour logichurts my brain. When a year from now president Obamawillbe takingyour guns away - don't complain, you asked for it. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
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Chaingun81 wrote:
You people scare me!

I agree that McCain is a liberal liar and political prostitute, but do you really believe that he is as bad as Hillary and Obama???
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Would you rather go off the cliff at 60 mph or 75 mph?

Heard it all before. Since you republicans failed to nominate Ron Paul, I'm going to vote for Hillary nowjust like I promised.
 
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Chaingun81 wrote:
Ok, i rest my case. You just refuse to live in realityandyour logichurts my brain. When a year from now president Obamawillbe takingyour guns away - don't complain, you asked for it. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
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He can have them 1 round at a time. I seriously wonder where our limit is sometimes before we no longer tolerate tyranny? Our founding fathers sure had a lot more balls than we do.
 
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Chaingun81 wrote:
I also like Ron Paul a lot and always supported him. But you know what? He is out! Get a grip - writing him in is a vote for democrats, like it or not. It's palin childish and it's not gonna help anyone, except for...well, Hillaryor Obama - whoever is the nomenee.
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And perpetuating the two-party system by always going for the "lesser of two evils" is not childish how?

I think I'm gonna join THawk here and vote for Hillary as well. :celebrate
 
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I agree that 2 party system and choosing between another douche and another turd over and over again sucks big time. In fact this crap along with elaborate primiries system and electoral college, it has nothing to do with democaracy whatsoever - if you had any illusions. America doesn't have democracy (and neither does any other country for that matter). It's all crap. But it is the REALITY. You wanna change it for real - go for a revolution along with the civil warand see how many people join in. Not many. You will be just another guy who went postal and gave more instruments to gun grabbers. When Obama passes legislation outlawing your guns and police will use the NICS check database to confiscate your guns, what you gonna do? One round at a time? Well, you are saying you gonna shoot at police? Another guy gone postal? Great choice! You people are not any better than liberal hippies - living in a fantasy world and refuse to deal with reality. You deserve Obama or Hillaryfor president then - you using the same logic as their supporters!The modern day battles arethe legislative ones and thank godNRAmanagement understand it - if it was run by people like you, we would have less gun rights than citizens of France. This is pathetic! :banghead::cuss::banghead:
 
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