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    Machine Gun-Toting Officers To Patrol NYC Subway
    M4 Carbine Rifles, MP5 Submachine Guns & Bomb Sniffing Dogs Part Of New "Torch Team" Anti-Terror Efforts
    NEW YORK (CBS) ― More protection against terrorists is coming to a subway station near you. Starting Thursday, special bomb teams, known as "Torch Teams," will be toting submachine guns and bringing bomb-sniffing dogs onto the platforms and into the trains. CBS 2 HD was out first thing Thursday morning on the lookout for these significant security measure improvements.

    It's a first for mass transit in the United States. NYPD officers, armed with rifles, submachine guns, body armor and bomb-sniffing dogs will begin patrolling the city's subway system thanks to a 50 percent increase in a homeland security grant.


    The city's massive subway system has long been considered a potential terror target. Six officers and a dog will constitute a team, patrolling all platforms and trains in 12-hour shifts. The "Torch Teams" will be toting MP5 submachine guns and M4 Carbine riflesthat are used by Navy seals and FBI hostage-rescue teams. The teams are being paid for by $151 million from the Feds.

    Similarly equipped NYPD units, known as "Hercules Teams," have patrolled Wall Street, the Empire State Building and other aboveground city landmarks for years as a response to the World Trade Center attacks.

    A police official likened the "Torch Teams" to "Hercules Teams" with MetroCards. In this age of heightened security, commuters and keen canines will share the underground world of mass transit.

    "It's a very good idea. It's like a deterrent. It's going to make me feel safer, much safer, yes it will. It's a good idea," said commuter Patricia Knight Williams.
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    "It's a very good idea. It's like a deterrent. It's going to make me feel safer, much safer, yes it will. It's a good idea," said commuter Patricia Knight Williams.

    Sure you do, until you get jacked up because one of the dogs hit on your bag after smelling the hoagie you have in there for your lunch.


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    Huck wrote:
    "It's a very good idea. It's like a deterrent. It's going to make me feel safer, much safer, yes it will. It's a good idea," said commuter Patricia Knight Williams.

    Sure you do, until you get jacked up because one of the dogs hit on your bag after smelling the hoagie you have in there for your lunch.

    I guess they will just have to ban all deli meats from the subway too... it's ok though, it is for national security!

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    *cough* Gestapo *cough*

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    When I was a kid I remember watching the news at night and seeing guards walking around train platforms, government buildings and airports with machine guns and dogs and thinking, "Thank God I was not born in one of those countries. What a horrible place to live!"

    Now this doesn't change things much in that I have always thought that NYC would be a horrible place to live, but the NYPD recreating those Eastern Bloc news images of my youth is disconcerting to say the least. I hope those officers feel better about their penis size.
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    deepdiver wrote:
    When I was a kid I remember watching the news at night and seeing guards walking around train platforms, government buildings and airports with machine guns and dogs and thinking, "Thank God I was not born in one of those countries. What a horrible place to live!"
    Really! Reminds you of some old Nazi war movie.

    I just talk to a friend that got back from NY. I guess if you want to visit Ground Zero it'll cost you 10 bucks.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    When I was a kid I remember watching the news at night and seeing guards walking around train platforms, government buildings and airports with machine guns and dogs and thinking, "Thank God I was not born in one of those countries. What a horrible place to live!"

    Now this doesn't change things much in that I have always thought that NYC would be a horrible place to live, but the NYPD recreating those Eastern Bloc news images of my youth is disconcerting to say the least. I hope those officers feel better about their penis size.
    How do you suggest they patrol the subways? Unfortunately we are reaching exactly what you describe as those Eastern Bloc countries in our probability of attacks.

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    PT111 wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    When I was a kid I remember watching the news at night and seeing guards walking around train platforms, government buildings and airports with machine guns and dogs and thinking, "Thank God I was not born in one of those countries. What a horrible place to live!"

    Now this doesn't change things much in that I have always thought that NYC would be a horrible place to live, but the NYPD recreating those Eastern Bloc news images of my youth is disconcerting to say the least. I hope those officers feel better about their penis size.
    How do you suggest they patrol the subways? Unfortunately we are reaching exactly what you describe as those Eastern Bloc countries in our probability of attacks.
    Do you think an M4 is going to stop a suicide bomber?

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    PT111 wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    When I was a kid I remember watching the news at night and seeing guards walking around train platforms, government buildings and airports with machine guns and dogs and thinking, "Thank God I was not born in one of those countries. What a horrible place to live!"

    Now this doesn't change things much in that I have always thought that NYC would be a horrible place to live, but the NYPD recreating those Eastern Bloc news images of my youth is disconcerting to say the least. I hope those officers feel better about their penis size.
    How do you suggest they patrol the subways? Unfortunately we are reaching exactly what you describe as those Eastern Bloc countries in our probability of attacks.
    Well, they could at least attemptto use cutting edgetechnologies that are able to detect explosive materials, WMD's, etc. (which I am sure they do to some extent)as well aslet the people freelycarry firearms to protect themselves from criminal elements. There has to be a better way than is described here.

    Using the police in this manner with bomb sniffing K9 unitsjust confirms to many that NYC and parts of the rest of the U.S. are moving closer to a police state mentality. You can't seem to be able to travel in a bus, subway, go to a ball gameor anything without feeling like you are in a major internationalairport, on camera, being searched,or under some other type ofstrict scrutiny. It also gives the police in that area a bad image when they cart around that type of weaponry as it makes them look paramilitary, or like some special ops unit patroling our cities.

    A little safety at the expense of liberty is damaging to our long-term future, IMO.
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    PT111 wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    When I was a kid I remember watching the news at night and seeing guards walking around train platforms, government buildings and airports with machine guns and dogs and thinking, "Thank God I was not born in one of those countries. What a horrible place to live!"

    Now this doesn't change things much in that I have always thought that NYC would be a horrible place to live, but the NYPD recreating those Eastern Bloc news images of my youth is disconcerting to say the least. I hope those officers feel better about their penis size.
    How do you suggest they patrol the subways? Unfortunately we are reaching exactly what you describe as those Eastern Bloc countries in our probability of attacks.
    How about leaving the rest of the ******* world alone? Then let the good people of New York arm themselves to protect against the street crime.

    I mean, hitting a hornet's nest with a baseball bat while trying to not get stung does get old after a while.

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    PT111 wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    When I was a kid I remember watching the news at night and seeing guards walking around train platforms, government buildings and airports with machine guns and dogs and thinking, "Thank God I was not born in one of those countries. What a horrible place to live!"

    Now this doesn't change things much in that I have always thought that NYC would be a horrible place to live, but the NYPD recreating those Eastern Bloc news images of my youth is disconcerting to say the least. I hope those officers feel better about their penis size.
    How do you suggest they patrol the subways? Unfortunately we are reaching exactly what you describe as those Eastern Bloc countries in our probability of attacks.
    Well, let's see, this is OCDO, so I guess someone has to say it:

    Allow New Yorkers to carry handguns, and encourage them to be vigilant and responsible for their own security, like you're supposed to do in America!

    I know it's difficult to imagine a world without cops and dogs sniffing through your stuff every time you step outside to go to work or to the store, but try.

    deepdiver: I know exactly how you feel. I try to explain this to people, and they look at me like I'm crazy. That was different, they say, those were communist dictatorships. We have to give up freedom to be safe from terrorists! DUCT TAPE, PLEASE!

    Nothing is beyond the pale, anymore. In addition to having to answer to some guy in a uniform with a dog whenever you want to travel, you have to submit to having your stuff searched, your body sniffed and scanned with see-through machines, your email and financial records snooped through, the list goes on and on. If someone invented a way to read minds, you'd have to submit to that, too, no doubt.

    And the authorites and those who apoligize for them tell us we're supposed to be cool with it. I'm amazed at how much East German charm we've picked up in just a few short years.

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    Papiere, bitte.

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    Papiere, bitte.
    it'll come to that before long. only instead of "Papers, please", it'll be "Real ID, please" So much for the whole "land of the free" thing....

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    Let me be the first to say it, and make it official: It has begun.

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    The fundamental breakdown in understanding from the sheep is that submachine gun wielding uniformed employees of the state with guard dogs patrolling American streets means that the terrorists have won.

    Period. End of story.

    They have now undoubtedly won.

    Thank you once again NYC. The point of terrorism is to make us give up something. To make us change our way of life, our behavior, to accomodate something about the terrorist. We have. We have changed grotesquely in the last 20 years. The only change we should be undergoing in response to the terrorist attacks is, as Tomahawk succinctly said, "Allow [all Americans in every state and city] to carry handguns [and long guns], and encourage them to be vigilant and responsible for their own security, like you're supposed to do in America!"



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    On top of all that, the name "Torch Team" sounds little ominous to me for some reason.

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    Why does the commissioner have heavily armed and armored elite police forces standing behind him for a press conference?



    What kind of image does this project about government?

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    deepdiver wrote:
    The fundamental breakdown in understanding from the sheep is that submachine gun wielding uniformed employees of the state with guard dogs patrolling American streets means that the terrorists have won.

    Period. End of story.

    They have now undoubtedly won.

    Thank you once again NYC. The point of terrorism is to make us give up something. To make us change our way of life, our behavior, to accomodate something about the terrorist. We have. We have changed grotesquely in the last 20 years. The only change we should be undergoing in response to the terrorist attacks is, as Tomahawk succinctly said, "Allow [all Americans in every state and city] to carry handguns [and long guns], and encourage them to be vigilant and responsible for their own security, like you're supposed to do in America!"
    +1 to that.

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    Let's rename it "Operation Conditioning the Public for Martial Law". If the gov't is going to BOHICA the people, they should at least be honest about it.
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    It seems a whole lot less expensive to allow American Citizens to conceal carry.

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    I lack the oratory and literaryskills to put my feelingsabout this into words. It almost makes me just want to assume the fetal position for awhile.

    How in the hell do we EVER beat this kind of stuff back? Is there any possible way America will ever return to what she once was?

    Just try to stop on the dam at the head of lake mead to take you picture standing in both states.....Hell no, you might be a terrorist.

    Ihear no one is allowed in the torch of the Statue of Liberty any longer......

    Somehow folks think that the National Guard thing that happened in 1913 has everything to do with the 2nd Amendment of theConstitution written over 100 years previous.....

    We(society as a whole)think thatsocial security is a good thing, and needs to be saved....

    Hillary and Obama both actually have a chance at being president.......

    And the list goes on. Freedom? Not anymore. We're flat out subjects, not citizens. Haven't been for more than 50 years or more.









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    41 Magnum wrote:
    And the list goes on. Freedom? Not anymore. We're flat out subjects, not citizens. Haven't been for more than 50 years or more.
    I'd say that either 1865 or 1933 is the year that marked that transition...

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    I may be worng but the torch of the Statue of Liberty has been off limits to the publicfor at least 60 years now. I did visit it back in 1968 and it was closed then due to structural concerns and not about any sort of terrorism.

    America has changed and one of the main reasons is simply because of the population growth both of the US and of the world. There are some changes that we are going to have to endure and all we can do is bitch about them or curl up into a fetal position and hide underthe bed. I grew up on a frarm in the deep South in the 50's and you talk about changes in lifestyle from then until now. The one thing that really bugs me is the ones I hear telling about how it was back then that weren't even bornthen and have never been below the Mason-Dixon line. They have no idea of what was going on or how we lived but they are the experts on what I was thinking and how I acted. Yes America is changing but it isn't the first time it has changed and won't be the last..

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