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    what's your opinion? lawyer or not?

    There are few bars in town that are open to minors for some hours of the day.

    Is it legal to carry there?

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    I was thinking the same thing. Dave and Busters come to mind.
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    My non-lawyer opinion is that as long as Minors are allowed, so is your gun. It's only when the area becomes "No Minors" in accordance with the WA Liquor Control Board that your gun is no longer legally welcome.
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    just_a_car wrote:
    My non-lawyer opinion is that as long as Minors are allowed, so is your gun. It's only when the area becomes "No Minors" in accordance with the WA Liquor Control Board that your gun is no longer legally welcome.
    That would be my interpretation as well, but I am not a lawyer and cannot offer legal advice.

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    just_a_car wrote:
    My non-lawyer opinion is that as long as Minors are allowed, so is your gun. It's only when the area becomes "No Minors" in accordance with the WA Liquor Control Board that your gun is no longer legally welcome.
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    I actually wrote Rep. Mike Sells this same question. There was no definitive answer available but it was his opinion that firearms would no be restricted during the hours that it was open to all ages. I have tried and failed to get a response from the liquor control board for a definitive answer.

    We may need to write our reps and ask that the law be modified as these establishments having all ages during the day and then restricting ages at night are becoming more and more popular and all of tem have a weapons warning sign posted.
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    joeroket wrote:
    I actually wrote Rep. Mike Sells this same question. There was no definitive answer available but it was his opinion that firearms would no be restricted during the hours that it was open to all ages. I have tried and failed to get a response from the liquor control board for a definitive answer.

    We may need to write our reps and ask that the law be modified as these establishments having all ages during the day and then restricting ages at night are becoming more and more popular and all of tem have a weapons warning sign posted.
    You don't need a definitive answer, and the law doesn't need to be changed. The law is very clear as it is. If minors aren't allowed, neither is your gun. If they are allowed, so is your gun. It's there in black and white and doesn't need any clarification. It is already clearly written. If someone under 21 can enter the area legally, so can your gun. Period.

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    expvideo wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    I actually wrote Rep. Mike Sells this same question. There was no definitive answer available but it was his opinion that firearms would no be restricted during the hours that it was open to all ages. I have tried and failed to get a response from the liquor control board for a definitive answer.

    We may need to write our reps and ask that the law be modified as these establishments having all ages during the day and then restricting ages at night are becoming more and more popular and all of tem have a weapons warning sign posted.
    You don't need a definitive answer, and the law doesn't need to be changed. The law is very clear as it is. If minors aren't allowed, neither is your gun. If they are allowed, so is your gun. It's there in black and white and doesn't need any clarification. It is already clearly written. If someone under 21 can enter the area legally, so can your gun. Period.
    Your wrong. People under 21 are allowed to enter an area if it is off limits to persons under 21 to pass through to an area that is not off limits. The law does need clarify this new style of lounge/restaraunt. If they do not then it could come down to a court battle and cost someone money.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    expvideo wrote:
    You don't need a definitive answer, and the law doesn't need to be changed. The law is very clear as it is. If minors aren't allowed, neither is your gun. If they are allowed, so is your gun. It's there in black and white and doesn't need any clarification. It is already clearly written. If someone under 21 can enter the area legally, so can your gun. Period.
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    joeroket wrote:
    expvideo wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    I actually wrote Rep. Mike Sells this same question. There was no definitive answer available but it was his opinion that firearms would no be restricted during the hours that it was open to all ages. I have tried and failed to get a response from the liquor control board for a definitive answer.

    We may need to write our reps and ask that the law be modified as these establishments having all ages during the day and then restricting ages at night are becoming more and more popular and all of tem have a weapons warning sign posted.
    You don't need a definitive answer, and the law doesn't need to be changed. The law is very clear as it is. If minors aren't allowed, neither is your gun. If they are allowed, so is your gun. It's there in black and white and doesn't need any clarification. It is already clearly written. If someone under 21 can enter the area legally, so can your gun. Period.
    Your wrong. People under 21 are allowed to enter an area if it is off limits to persons under 21 to pass through to an area that is not off limits. The law does need clarify this new style of lounge/restaraunt. If they do not then it could come down to a court battle and cost someone money.
    No, you are wrong. Read the law. I've read it. In fact I've read it so many times, I could practically quote it. It is"areas of an establishmentthat the liqour control board has designated off limits to minors under 21" or something to the point of that. Since the liqour control board allows minors durring certain hours, it also allows your gun. And NO minors are not allowed to pass through a bar section to use the bathroom or to get to a non-restricted area. If the bar is allowing them to do that, they are breaking the law.

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    expvideo wrote:
    No, you are wrong. Read the law. I've read it. In fact I've read it so many times, I could practically quote it. It is"areas of an establishmentthat the liqour control board has designated off limits to minors under 21" or something to the point of that. Since the liqour control board allows minors durring certain hours, it also allows your gun. And NO minors are not allowed to pass through a bar section to use the bathroom or to get to a non-restricted area. If the bar is allowing them to do that, they are breaking the law.
    expvideo is correct; if it is a "No Minors" area, then minors may not "pass through" as you are suggesting. It is illegal.

    I had to chastise a waitress for leading my family through the bar at Black Angus in Lynnwood to a booth on the other side of the restaurant because my sister was 18 at the time. I was really pissed because I was CC'ing at the time, but my family doesn't know I carry, nor own, a handgun. So, I had to go along, chastise the waitress, and from there on, go through the "back way" where all the servers were going through to get to the other side of the restaurant.

    The waitress said she had just moved from New York and wasn't aware of the law here on that. She went and checked with her boss and/or the bartender and, when she came back, she said they affirmed my concerns that it was illegal.
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    Ok I concede. It is only legal to allow minors to pass through if the premises is licensed as a private club. I remembered incorrectly. Also Expvideo the law you are talking about is the firearms law. The one I was talking about is under section 66 of the RCW's.
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    Minors employed in entertainment may also go into and area that is normally off limit for the period of their employment, but any breaks or time not actually performing or setting up must be spent outside that area.
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    just_a_car wrote:
    expvideo wrote:
    No, you are wrong. Read the law. I've read it. In fact I've read it so many times, I could practically quote it. It is"areas of an establishmentthat the liqour control board has designated off limits to minors under 21" or something to the point of that. Since the liqour control board allows minors durring certain hours, it also allows your gun. And NO minors are not allowed to pass through a bar section to use the bathroom or to get to a non-restricted area. If the bar is allowing them to do that, they are breaking the law.
    Are you sure that minors cannot cross through the bar section? I remember during my days of being under 21 I would go with my family to the local casino which is 21 and up and serves alcohol. We would go here often to eat because they had really good food and I was allowed to walk through the 21 and up area but i had to be escorted.



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    Expvideo is correct. I double checked the liquor laws after his post. There is nothing in the laws that allow for a minor to pass through a public establishment, only exceptions for working as a server or entertainer whether it is indian run or not. They do however have to enter into a business contract with the liquor board and I have no idea what is included in the contract. There may possibly be an exception for that.
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    joeroket wrote:
    Expvideo is correct. I double checked the liquor laws after his post. There is nothing in the laws that allow for a minor to pass through a public establishment, only exceptions for working as a server or entertainer whether it is indian run or not. They do however have to enter into a business contract with the liquor board and I have no idea what is included in the contract. There may possibly be an exception for that.
    well i guess that it was just their policy then because if I’m correct i don’t believe that indian reservations even have to follow that law since they are a sovereign nation i know that most state laws if any don't apply to them.


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    Izzle wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    Expvideo is correct. I double checked the liquor laws after his post. There is nothing in the laws that allow for a minor to pass through a public establishment, only exceptions for working as a server or entertainer whether it is indian run or not. They do however have to enter into a business contract with the liquor board and I have no idea what is included in the contract. There may possibly be an exception for that.
    well i guess that it was just their policy then because if I’m correct i don’t believe that indian reservations even have to follow that law since they are a sovereign nation i know that most state laws if any don't apply to them.
    They do have to follow state law for liquor.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=314-37-010
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    ah good find good find i never fail to learn something new on this board haha

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    Izzle wrote:
    i never fail to learn something new on this board haha
    Same here. The guys on the board, thankfully are not afraid to call you on something, like this thread, which leads to a better education in the laws I think.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    exactly, and they do it in a non condescending way its really a great forum.

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