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    http://glassbeadcollective.blip.tv/file/784711/

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    This is related to Open Carry since most of us carry recording devices with us to keep the police accountable. Fortunately, most police around here are honorable.


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    Let's keep the cop bashing off this thread. I think the video speaks for itself. The problem is not with cops in general, but with a few isolated blue cities like Miami, Los Angeles and New York City (places with strict gun control...hmmm).

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    Young man arrested by police for video taping them in his own home. Though the charges were later dropped.

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    ama-gi wrote: Just another reason I will never go to NYC. When are we all (the people of the USA)going to wake up and realize how quickly we are losing the recognition of our individual and naturally endowed rights. Along with a firearm everybody should carry a video camera. God this is frustrating, where am I going to put all the stuff I have to carry to protect myself?
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    Be glad to live in a state where it's legal to record conversations...

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    Couple this with the machinegun toting, armor-clad elite units patrolling the subways and the streets, and we have a very nice little police state.

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    It appears that there is a specific event happening at this location that has drawn the police and people ready to capture everything on video.

    The police are targeting people on bikes only and stopping them either at random or for some other violation that is not pointed out by the author.

    The police are not bothered about being taped and only asked that people keep back ten feet.

    It appears to be a violation to stop on the sidewalk and block the passageway for other pedestrians. The female stops to shoot photos and is approached by a cop. She is asked for her ID and then decides to just ride away. I am guessing that the cop decided to charge her and the female needed to be stopped.

    The author of the video is claiming that the charges were mostly dropped but does not show any proof of that. You have to take their word for it.

    I am not sure this video is so much about how to video tape the police. The author is showing you only enough to see the police taking what could be lawful action against people in violation of the law.


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    ama-gi wrote:
    -edit- Let's keep the cop bashing off this thread.
    And its opposite...too late!

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    It appears that there is a specific event happening at this location that has drawn the police and people ready to capture everything on video.

    The police are targeting people on bikes only and stopping them either at random or for some other violation that is not pointed out by the author.

    The police are not bothered about being taped and only asked that people keep back ten feet.

    It appears to be a violation to stop on the sidewalk and block the passageway for other pedestrians. The female stops to shoot photos and is approached by a cop. She is asked for her ID and then decides to just ride away. I am guessing that the cop decided to charge her and the female needed to be stopped.

    The author of the video is claiming that the charges were mostly dropped but does not show any proof of that. You have to take their word for it.

    I am not sure this video is so much about how to video tape the police. The author is showing you only enough to see the police taking what could be lawful action against people in violation of the law.
    I think that what I saw were some unconstitutional false arrests and some very deceptive anddishonestpolice reports, as well as some trumped up charges. Did you notice that the asian woman is charged with 2 counts of assault? All I saw was her getting owned by a half a dozen cops.

    But I agree that the author is being pretty deceptive as well, because we don't know the reason for the police hassling the bicyclists. It seems like we are being given half of the story, and the other half is actually very important to being able to make a complete judgement. Still, I saw some very poor handling of this situation and denial of constitutional rights.

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    Definitely don't have the whole story. On the other hand, I can't imagine what the rest of the story would be that wouldn't make one look at the Torch Patrols and think, "Oh, natural progression of an already out of control police force."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Definitely don't have the whole story. On the other hand, I can't imagine what the rest of the story would be that wouldn't make one look at the Torch Patrols and think, "Oh, natural progression of an already out of control police force."

    Reason 9,652 to never, ever, in my life visit NYC.
    +1. If I never see NYC, I'll be perfectly content. The statue used to be such a sybol of freedom, but knowing that to see the statue in person, I have to be the government's little bitch and sacrifice my rights... It's sad.

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    I think that what I saw were some unconstitutional false arrests and some very deceptive anddishonestpolice reports, as well as some trumped up charges. Did you notice that the asian woman is charged with 2 counts of assault? All I saw was her getting owned by a half a dozen cops.

    But I agree that the author is being pretty deceptive as well, because we don't know the reason for the police hassling the bicyclists. It seems like we are being given half of the story, and the other half is actually very important to being able to make a complete judgement. Still, I saw some very poor handling of this situation and denial of constitutional rights.
    Which statute under the constitution makes it legal to videotape or photograph an arrest because even though I am in Canada, every time I have seen somebody try to videotape what is going on they have always tried to cover the lens and as a photojournalist I would like to know so I can photograph something I think might be an illegal arrest and not be charged for it if possible while complying with the rule of law.

    Maybe a stupid question but the only stupid question is the one you never ask. :P

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    Which statute under the constitution makes it legal to videotape or photograph an arrest because even though I am in Canada, every time I have seen somebody try to videotape what is going on they have always tried to cover the lens and as a photojournalist I would like to know so I can photograph something I think might be an illegal arrest and not be charged for it if possible while complying with the rule of law.

    Maybe a stupid question but the only stupid question is the one you never ask. :P
    The same one that makes open carry legal, that is there is nothing that says it is illegal. The rules for public photography (simplified): If you can see it from a public space, and the subject has no reasonable expectation of privacy, you can take a picture of it. That means I can stand on the sidewalk (public property) and take a picture of your house, but I cannot zoom into your bedroom window. I can take a picture of your hedge, but I cannot stand on a ladder and take a picure of the yard behind it.

    I had at one time a website bookmarked that spelled out the rules pretty clearly, but I can't find it. If I do I will post it here.

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    Which statute under the constitution makes it legal to videotape or photograph an arrest because even though I am in Canada, every time I have seen somebody try to videotape what is going on they have always tried to cover the lens and as a photojournalist I would like to know so I can photograph something I think might be an illegal arrest and not be charged for it if possible while complying with the rule of law.

    Maybe a stupid question but the only stupid question is the one you never ask. :P
    The same one that makes open carry legal, that is there is nothing that says it is illegal. The rules for public photography (simplified): If you can see it from a public space, and the subject has no reasonable expectation of privacy, you can take a picture of it. That means I can stand on the sidewalk (public property) and take a picture of your house, but I cannot zoom into your bedroom window. I can take a picture of your hedge, but I cannot stand on a ladder and take a picure of the yard behind it.

    I had at one time a website bookmarked that spelled out the rules pretty clearly, but I can't find it. If I do I will post it here.
    Thanks FogRider because when I move to the US I am also gonna get a membership with the National Press Club among others and try to do some freelance shooting of various things and those rules if you can find them would be perfect so I won't do anything I might regret later. :P

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    Thanks FogRider because when I move to the US I am also gonna get a membership with the National Press Club among others and try to do some freelance shooting of various things and those rules if you can find them would be perfect so I won't do anything I might regret later. :P
    Ok, I did find it. It's a one page pdf to be used a general guide, but it seems pretty good. You will probably want to dig a little deeper into the laws, but this should get you started.

    http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

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    I think that what I saw were some unconstitutional false arrests and some very deceptive anddishonestpolice reports, as well as some trumped up charges. Did you notice that the asian woman is charged with 2 counts of assault? All I saw was her getting owned by a half a dozen cops.

    But I agree that the author is being pretty deceptive as well, because we don't know the reason for the police hassling the bicyclists. It seems like we are being given half of the story, and the other half is actually very important to being able to make a complete judgement. Still, I saw some very poor handling of this situation and denial of constitutional rights.
    Hi,

    Just discovered this site and the forums.

    I believe that what is going on is a 'Critical Mass' bike ride. The 'movement,' not organization, is a monthly bicycle/human powered vehicle ride in different cities.

    Police in some cities decided to take the riders to task because there are never any permits requested for the rides, and they cause some conflicts with motorists.

    You may want to check out

    http://critical-mass.info/police.html
    [code]and

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/ny...amp;oref=login


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    Last week, he discovered that there were two versions of the same police tape: the one that was to be used as evidence in his trial had been edited at two spots, removing images that showed Mr. Dunlop behaving peacefully. When a volunteer film archivist found a more complete version of the tape and gave it to Mr. Dunlop's lawyer, prosecutors immediately dropped the charges and said that a technician had cut the material by mistake.

    Seven months after the convention at Madison Square Garden, criminal charges have fallen against all but a handful of people arrested that week. Of the 1,670 cases that have run their full course, 91 percent ended with the charges dismissed or with a verdict of not guilty after trial. Many were dropped without any finding of wrongdoing, but also without any serious inquiry into the circumstances of the arrests, with the Manhattan district attorney's office agreeing that the cases should be "adjourned in contemplation of dismissal."

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    ama-gi wrote:
    Let's keep the cop bashing off this thread. I think the video speaks for itself.
    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?i...057&page=1

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    ama-gi wrote:
    Let's keep the cop bashing off this thread. I think the video speaks for itself.
    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?i...057&page=1
    This is the video of the off duty cop in civilian clothing that got drunk and then assaulted the bartender.

    Many people get drunk and do stupid stuff. I do not believe this was a premeditated crime. He was not abusing his position as a cop as he was drunk as hell and dumb just like many civilians that drink and fight.

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    All the cops that Arrested Joyce Lin need to be fired and charged with felonies, if not taken out back without the protection of their guns and badges first. And people ask me why I hate NYC and NJ.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    ne1 wrote:
    ama-gi wrote:
    Let's keep the cop bashing off this thread. I think the video speaks for itself.
    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?i...057&page=1
    This is the video of the off duty cop in civilian clothing that got drunk and then assaulted the bartender.

    Many people get drunk and do stupid stuff. I do not believe this was a premeditated crime. He was not abusing his position as a cop as he was drunk as hell and dumb just like many civilians that drink and fight.
    You mean citizens don't you? Civilians are citizens not in the military. Cops are civilians too. Unles they are in the military as well.
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    LEO 229 wrote:
    ne1 wrote:
    ama-gi wrote:
    Let's keep the cop bashing off this thread. I think the video speaks for itself.
    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?i...057&page=1
    This is the video of the off duty cop in civilian clothing that got drunk and then assaulted the bartender.

    Many people get drunk and do stupid stuff. I do not believe this was a premeditated crime. He was not abusing his position as a cop as he was drunk as hell and dumb just like many civilians that drink and fight.
    This is a pretty brutal attack. Granted it could have been anyone that was drunk, but as everyone knows some cops have a GOD complex and feel they are above the law, which in this case I believe played a part in this guys decision to do what he did. And I agree with the attorneys statement that if this was not on tape nothing would have happened to this officer. As it was after seeing the tape the charges were upgraded to a felony.
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    LEO 229 wrote:
    ne1 wrote:
    ama-gi wrote:
    Let's keep the cop bashing off this thread. I think the video speaks for itself.
    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?i...057&page=1
    This is the video of the off duty cop in civilian clothing that got drunk and then assaulted the bartender.

    Many people get drunk and do stupid stuff. I do not believe this was a premeditated crime. He was not abusing his position as a cop as he was drunk as hell and dumb just like many civilians that drink and fight.

    LEO 229,

    Sorry brother. That dog can't hunt! If any of the other patrons there physically intervened to defend that woman and the CPD did respond in a timely matter, take a guess who would have MOST LIKELY gone to jail?

    You know as well as I do, it wouldn't have been the cop! It would most likely have been everyone else! Either with or without the video tape.

    Personally if it had been one of my men, he would have gone to our jail IMMEDIATELY and if he resisted arrest, I'd have given him a whole lot of "wall-to-wall" counselling!

    Being drunk is no excuse! LEOs need to hold themselves to a higher standard and set the example for those we are sworn to protect. A coward like that, who beats on a 100lbs woman, has no business being a cop.

    This POS has dishonored himself and his entire department!

    When he does go to the big house, I hope someone dimes this POS out as being a cop. Prison justice will take care of him I'm sure.

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