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    http://ammocoding.com
    10002 Aurora Avenue N. #4432
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    Interesting they would have a 425 area code, the prefix is a Lynnwood number. A Seattle address and a Lynnwood phone...

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    There are 12 common handgun and assault weapon calibers.
    WTF? Assault weapon calibers?!?!?!?! What a bunch of asshats. What the hell happened to rifle caliber? Unbelievable that they are trying o capitalize on this by using that phrase.
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    That address puts them in the Oaktree shopping center, a strip mall.

    Probably all they can afford.
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    joeroket wrote:
    There are 12 common handgun and assault weapon calibers.
    WTF?¬* Assault weapon calibers?!?!?!?!¬* What a bunch of asshats. What the hell happened to rifle caliber? Unbelievable that they are trying o capitalize on this by using that phrase.
    And did you also notice this little gem... "A licensing fee for each bullet sold would also be required"

    Ahhh, so it really ISN'T about the sob story they give about gun violence cutting down cops and children in their prime. Nope, it is really about this company making some $$$

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    As I've said so many times, it's always about money.


    Create fear then make money off of it. It's the new American way!

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    WTF?? Most common rifle AND handgun calibers are military as well.

    .223, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R (come on), .308, 9mm, .45, etc etc.

    Screw these bastages!

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    http://ammocoding.com
    10002 Aurora Avenue N. #4432
    Seattle, WA 98133
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    info@ammocoding.com

    Interesting they would have a 425 area code, the prefix is a Lynnwood number. A Seattle address and a Lynnwood phone...


    That address is registered to:

    Ravensforge LLC who is the parent that has applied for the patent for bullet serialization: http://www.patentsdb.org/patent/appa...n-1790695.html

    "The present invention is directed to identifying ammunition. In one embodiment, an identifiable ammunition cartridge includes a bullet having a first identification surface, a casing having a second identification surface, and an identifying code positioned on at least one of the first and the second identification surfaces. In another embodiment, a method for identifying ammunition includes selecting a first code portion and a second code portion, and combining the first code portion with the second code portion to form an identifier that may be applied to the ammunition. In still another embodiment, a method for tracking ammunition having an identifier includes storing the identifier and a corresponding identity of a first custodian in a data storage system, transferring the ammunition to a second custodian, associating the ammunition identifier with an identity of the second custodian, and storing the identity corresponding to the second custodian in the data storage system."

    Full text of the patent available here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...;RS=PN/7143697

    What a bunch of idiots! So you cannot ever use ammo that someone else bought? Completely unenforceable, unregulateable.

    Can you see this conversation at the range?




    "Hey Bob, I'm all out, can I borrow a box and pay you back later?"

    "Sure Joe, I first need you to fill out thisform transferring the ammo to you..."



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    BobCav wrote:
    So you cannot ever use ammo that someone else bought?
    Which of course is precisely what they are proposing. No unregistered ammo or components, and non-transferable. Perhaps the gov'ment should be the test case for this; it would make sorting out those 50-shot encounters easier. Or perhaps only gang members - after they register as such and get the driver's licenses stamped so the store clerks know to give them marked ammo.[img]chrome://piclens/content/launch.png[/img]

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    I hope this isn't one of those really dumb ideas that actually gets seriously considered. All it takes is a slantednews story and everyone thinks it's the greatest idea since sliced bread.





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    Several states have/had bills pending to adopt this or similiar technology.

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    Nosrac wrote:
    I hope this isn't one of those really dumb ideas that actually gets seriously considered.¬*¬* All it takes is a slanted¬*news story and everyone thinks it's the greatest idea since sliced bread.
    Oh, but it has already... http://www.king5.com/video/index.htm...d=235108&shu=1

    All slanted "for" this technology, with 2 different "pro" interviews. The "against" reason is that "some gun owners say this infringes on their right to bear arms", stated by the reporter in the voiceover. She probably got that argument right from the "pro" folks and never talked to anybody who thinks this technology is bogus.

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    thos idiots came to CT this year to try to push that crap...so many people spoke out against it and it was opposed by our State Police....and some ammo companies said they just would not sell in the state...plus with reloading..it was a mess...and did not even come up for a vote....

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    Ammunition serialization is about as practical as requiring farmers to put serial numbers inside of watermelons.

    Better yet, in the story substitute the word "cigarettes" for "ammo" and see how that plays out. Or how about "french fries". Both of those end up killing more folks than bullets.

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    How about medical doctors?

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    spike89 wrote:
    Nosrac wrote:
    I hope this isn't one of those really dumb ideas that actually gets seriously considered. All it takes is a slantednews story and everyone thinks it's the greatest idea since sliced bread.
    Oh, but it has already... http://www.king5.com/video/index.htm...5108&shu=1

    All slanted "for" this technology, with 2 different "pro" interviews. The "against" reason is that "some gun owners say this infringes on their right to bear arms", stated by the reporter in the voiceover. She probably got that argument right from the "pro" folks and never talked to anybody who thinks this technology is bogus.
    Thanks I just watched it. That wasa pathetic piece.

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    Nosrac wrote:
    I hope this isn't one of those really dumb ideas that actually gets seriously considered. All it takes is a slantednews story and everyone thinks it's the greatest idea since sliced bread.



    Considering sliced bread was specifically created for the toaster which until that point had no purpose whatsoever. I wonder how this will play out, I would like to believe that our politicians are not that stupid as to think that this is a viable technology... then again stranger things have happened (seeexplaination of sliced bread above).

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    While we're at it, why not go all out and start an 'Uncoded for Coded' ammo exchange program allowing Big Brother to know precisely how much ammo we've got stockpiled in our personal bunkers?!

    Seriously, the thought of this catching on and becoming law makes me ill.

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    badger wrote:

    Seriously, the thought of this catching on and becoming law makes me ill.

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    There are a thousand ways to destroy liberty...

    But only one way to restore it.

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    Here is a pdf version of the patent. Being an electrical engineer by trade, this is one lame patent. Putting numbers on bullets...Wow Kind of like patentingphone numbers.




    Do you know what is really funny? They don't even patent HOW to do it. It is like patenting the idea of a time machine...but not solving how to do it.
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    On their website, they try to justify the "low cost" by only talking about the cost of the laser engraver. But they fail to note the fact that ammo plants would have to completely re-organize and retool to transition from large-batch production to essentially 50 round batch production lots to keep all the serial numbers aligned. And what happens to rejects? What if one bullet out of a 50 round batch fails to seat correctly --- toss the batch? Remake the single round with a "spare" bullet with the same serial number? What about military contracts? If they don't have serialization, I guess that means no more overrrun/surplus ammo sales to the public.

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    Bobcav: "There are a thousand ways to destroy liberty... But only one way to restore it."


    through violence of action?

    Edited to indicate response and nullify stupidity.

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    This outfit is going from state to state pushing there snake oil. If any state signs it into law there will be a monopoly to buy there bullets from that company.

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    phone guy wrote:
    This outfit is going from state to state pushing there snake oil. If any state signs it into law there will be a monopoly to buy there bullets from that company.
    IIRC, a couple of states have been told by ammo companies that they would simply get no ammo for any government agency if this passed. California was one of them I think. I know they considered this crap a couple of years back. This is one area where the manufacturers have nothing to lose and everything to gain by simply saying "no you can't have our products". Imagine if state police, local police, and the national guard couldn't buy ammo. I think this sort of foolishness would get shot down very quick.

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