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    As good as we have it here in AZ for OC and gun rights in general, we really have to do something about that nutcase up in Phoenix. How in the world did she get elected? TWICE?

    FROM an AZCDL ALERT.

    HB 2630, an AzCDL requested bill that reduces the penalty for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit to a petty offense, was vetoed by the Governor on April 29, 2008. You can read her veto letter here: http://www.azleg.gov/govlettr/48leg/2R/HB2630.pdf .

    HB 2630 would have reclassified carrying a concealed weapon without a permit as a petty offense, unless the violation occurred in the commission of, or attempted commission of, a "serious offense or violent crime", in which case the CCW offense would have been a class 6 felony, or any other felony offense, in which case it would have remained a class 1 misdemeanor. In a nutshell, if you're a bad guy carrying a concealed weapon, penalties would have been stiffened. If you're a law-abiding citizen, it would have become a petty offense.


    Under current law, if you have not been issued a concealed weapons (CCW) permit, it is a class 1 misdemeanor to carry a concealed weapon. Everyone is treated like a criminal. Sadly, because of a couple of 1994 Appellate Court decisions, there is no clear, objective standard in statute that you can rely on to determine if you are violating the law.

    In her veto letter on HB 2630, Governor Napolitano says "obtain the required permit." She then says that "people who fail to do so are, by definition, lawbreakers…." She goes on to say that "serious criminals, especially gang members, often carry concealed weapons without permits." Per the Governor, there is no distinction between gang members intentionally breaking the law, and a law-abiding person's attempt to comply with a law clouded by head-scratching court decisions. If your openly carried firearm can't be seen because of the angle that the police officer is looking at you, and you don't have a CCW permit – you are the same as a gang member. If you have a CCW permit, and are sitting near someone in a vehicle that may have access to your firearm – they are the same as gang members. If a newspaper falls over the gun that is sitting on the seat of your vehicle, and you don't have a CCW permit – you are the same as a gang member.

    Governor Napolitano says that "…law enforcement officers must have the full array of enforcement options to use against these violators…" In other words, arrest everyone and let the courts sort it out. That sure beats separating the bad guys from the good guys.

    Over 98% of Arizona citizens do not have concealed weapons permits, largely because the Arizona Constitution supposedly protects the right to "open carry." Per Governor Napolitano, that's not relevant – you better get a permit if your weapon might ever be considered concealed, or else you're a lawbreaker!
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    I so much dislike that woman.



    Is there any chance for an legislative override?

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    400HP wrote:
    I so much dislike that woman.



    Is there any chance for an legislative override?
    I don't think so. They didn't have 2/3 when they passed it originally.



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    Dahwg wrote:
    As good as we have it here in AZ for OC and gun rights in general, we really have to do something about that nutcase up in Phoenix. How in the world did she get elected? TWICE?
    Sadly, many of your fellow gun owners voted for her. Many have told me that when I was trying to recruit them into AzCDL at gun shows.

    Fortunately, since we're putting bills on her desk that she vetos the truth is coming out. This is the second year in a row we put "petty offense" in front of her. Coming up next are vehicle carry and defensive display. Is she willing ot veto those too? We don't know.

    She is "term limited" - this is her last term as governor. Meanwhile, we (AzCDL) will continue to get these kind of bills through the legislature. Every one she vetoes affects her NRA rating and diminishes her claim of being "pro-gun."

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    azcdlfred wrote:
    Dahwg wrote:
    As good as we have it here in AZ for OC and gun rights in general, we really have to do something about that nutcase up in Phoenix. How in the world did she get elected? TWICE?
    Sadly, many of your fellow gun owners voted for her. Many have told me that when I was trying to recruit them into AzCDL at gun shows.

    Fortunately, since we're putting bills on her desk that she vetos the truth is coming out. This is the second year in a row we put "petty offense" in front of her. Coming up next are vehicle carry and defensive display. Is she willing ot veto those too? We don't know.

    She is "term limited" - this is her last term as governor. Meanwhile, we (AzCDL) will continue to get these kind of bills through the legislature. Every one she vetoes affects her NRA rating and diminishes her claim of being "pro-gun."

    Fred


    Wasn't her excuse last year that it would take a tool away from LEOs, and that's why you guys added the part that would stiffen the penalty for the Bad Guys?


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    Dahwg wrote:
    Wasn't her excuse last year that it would take a tool away from LEOs, and that's why you guys added the part that would stiffen the penalty for the Bad Guys?
    Yes, last year she said it would take a tool away from LEOs, but the stiffer penatly language was added in last year before she got the bill. This year's bill is identical to last year's bill that she vetoed - no changes were made.

    Fred

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    Dahwg wrote:
    As good as we have it here in AZ for OC and gun rights in general, we really have to do something about that nutcase up in Phoenix.* How in the world did she get elected?* TWICE?
    I'm guessing several thousand California Liberals slipped over the state line overnight and secretly stuffed the Arizona ballot boxes?? :X

    BTW, rumor has it that Arizona native Mary "Nanny" Peters would like to run for the post of Arizona Governor.

    Nanny Peters IS another dangerous female politician who believes the government should take care of it's subjects!!

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    Great! THat's just what we need. :?

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