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New Washington State Supreme Court Decision: Unlawful Terry Stop

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
<snip>.. Usually those without helmets are those without any provisions to care for them when they become vegetables, so the public ends up picking up the tab, not my idea of a responsible person. <snip>

And therein lies the root of the problem.

Gov't has delared that 'we the people' must shoulder the burden of resposibility for those who will not do so themselves. Where the *&#!@ do they get off telling me that I HAVE to pay to care for some putz who scrambled his brains by not wearing a helmet?

IT'S NOT THEIR PLACE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. It's not the government's responsibility.

The very fact that people know that gummint will take care of them enables the stupid people of the world to make stupid decisions without repercussions. If you wanna stop a vast majority of stupid decisions, MAKE them accept the consequences.....STOP ENABLING THEM.

Last I checked we still live in 'The Land of the Free' (or so they claim). Let the weak willed fry their brains with drugs. Let the idiots of the world drive without a seatbelt and impale themselves on a steering column. Let the stupid people ride bikes without a helmet and spread their brains across half the county.
But do not DEIGN to tell ME that *I* have to shoulder the burden of THEIR decisions!

I say the world would be a better place without em!



 

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Phssthpok wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
<snip>.. Usually those without helmets are those without any provisions to care for them when they become vegetables, so the public ends up picking up the tab, not my idea of a responsible person. <snip>

And therein lies the root of the problem.

Gov't has delared that 'we the people' must shoulder the burden of resposibility for those who will not do so themselves. Where the *&#!@ do they get off telling me that I HAVE to pay to care for some putz who scrambled his brains by not wearing a helmet?

IT'S NOT THEIR PLACE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. It's not the government's responsibility.

The very fact that people know that gummint will take care of them enables the stupid people of the world to make stupid decisions without repercussions. If you wanna stop a vast majority of stupid decisions, MAKE them accept the consequences.....STOP ENABLING THEM.

Last I checked we still live in 'The Land of the Free' (or so they claim). Let the weak willed fry their brains with drugs. Let the idiots of the world drive without a seatbelt and impale themselves on a steering column. Let the stupid people ride bikes without a helmet and spread their brains across half the county.
But do not DEIGN to tell ME that *I* have to shoulder the burden of THEIR decisions!

I say the world would be a better place without em!



Like I've said for years, the present US government is more restrictive and taxes more than the English government the Founding Fathersrebelled against. The time for the revolution to start is long past. The problem is that this country is full of people who want the government to take care of them. Maybe this economic depression we are going into will make people realize you can't give up your rights to the government because all governments are corrupt.
 

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I rock climb, sometimes without helmet, I ride bikes sometimes without ahelmet, and I drive cars sometimes without a government mandated seatbelt or, oh-my-god an airbag.Sometimes I even shoot a gun with out ear and eye protection!

I'll decide what risk I take, and ask you mommies to mind your own kids, and stay out of my business! My risk..my consequences.

God its tough gettin old and remembering what America was like!

 

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tjschul wrote:
I rock climb, sometimes without helmet, I ride bikes sometimes without ahelmet, and I drive cars sometimes without a government mandated seatbelt or, oh-my-god an airbag.Sometimes I even shoot a gun with out ear and eye protection!

I'll decide what risk I take, and ask you mommies to mind your own kids, and stay out of my business! My risk..my consequences.

God its tough gettin old and remembering what America was like!

The trouble is the world you want is at least 50 years in the past. The trouble is big brother doesn't see it your way and I still end up paying if you screw up.
 

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Not Really Bear, It 's still like I want it, I may have to pay a ticket or something now and then but its still America...land of the free. I just wish everyone would quit trying to mother adults ("war" on drugs). You see I don't have to take your kindly suggestions to do all the good little things you, or the damn (current) liberal govt wants me to, to "be safe". Hope you can sleep tonight.

Oh yeah, I carry my own insurance policies, and don't care if you do or not..
 

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Is this a statement that we can all agree on? 'Just follow the law regardless of how stupid they are, if you want things to be different then organize and get the government to change them.'
 

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Shy_Panda wrote:
Is this a statement that we can all agree on? 'Just follow the law regardless of how stupid they are, if you want things to be different then organize and get the government to change them.'

You probably should ask Paul Revere or Rosa Parks or MLK that question.
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Usually those without helmets are those without any provisions to care for them when they become vegetables, so the public ends up picking up the tab, not my idea of a responsible person.
That's an absolute lie, Bear. There are plenty of places you can find out the truth on this so don't go spewing your libelous falsehoods here.
 

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heresolong wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
Usually those without helmets are those without any provisions to care for them when they become vegetables, so the public ends up picking up the tab, not my idea of a responsible person.
That's an absolute lie, Bear. There are plenty of places you can find out the truth on this so don't go spewing your libelous falsehoods here.
20 years as an EMT with a volunteer fire department and married to a professional Para-medic. she's still working BTW,for longer than that tells me you are wrong. Both of us have seen it time after time. So if I've seen it it is a fact you can take to the bank. The Brady Bunch use stats all the time to support their lies. You can make stats say whatever you want.
 

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tjschul wrote:
Not Really Bear, It 's still like I want it, I may have to pay a ticket or something now and then but its still America...land of the free. I just wish everyone would quit trying to mother adults ("war" on drugs). You see I don't have to take your kindly suggestions to do all the good little things you, or the damn (current) liberal govt wants me to, to "be safe". Hope you can sleep tonight.

Oh yeah, I carry my own insurance policies, and don't care if you do or not..
I like you, tjschul!

I wear a helmet on my motorcycle because it's smart, not because the gub'ment says I have to. If I decide not to wear one, I personally give ya'll permission to leave me bleeding on the street if I crash.

The role of government is not to keep me safe from myself, it's to pursue justice and safety between us. I don't want to run your life and I don't want you running mine. We don't have a problem unless one of us injures the other.

Gun-toting conservative types like ourselves aught to understand this...
 

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t3rmin wrote:
tjschul wrote:
Not Really Bear, It 's still like I want it, I may have to pay a ticket or something now and then but its still America...land of the free. I just wish everyone would quit trying to mother adults ("war" on drugs). You see I don't have to take your kindly suggestions to do all the good little things you, or the damn (current) liberal govt wants me to, to "be safe". Hope you can sleep tonight.

Oh yeah, I carry my own insurance policies, and don't care if you do or not..
I like you, tjschul!

I wear a helmet on my motorcycle because it's smart, not because the gub'ment says I have to. If I decide not to wear one, I personally give ya'll permission to leave me bleeding on the street if I crash.

The role of government is not to keep me safe from myself, it's to pursue justice and safety between us. I don't want to run your life and I don't want you running mine. We don't have a problem unless one of us injures the other.

Gun-toting conservative types like ourselves aught to understand this...
Maybe you guys are unaware but driving a car or riding a motorcycle is not a Constitutional guarantee and they can make all the rules they want about it. So stop
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Phssthpok wrote:
And therein lies the root of the problem.

Gov't has delared that 'we the people' must shoulder the burden of resposibility for those who will not do so themselves. Where the *&#!@ do they get off telling me that I HAVE to pay to care for some putz who scrambled his brains by not wearing a helmet?

IT'S NOT THEIR PLACE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. It's not the government's responsibility.

The very fact that people know that gummint will take care of them enables the stupid people of the world to make stupid decisions without repercussions. If you wanna stop a vast majority of stupid decisions, MAKE them accept the consequences.....STOP ENABLING THEM.

Last I checked we still live in 'The Land of the Free' (or so they claim). Let the weak willed fry their brains with drugs. Let the idiots of the world drive without a seatbelt and impale themselves on a steering column. Let the stupid people ride bikes without a helmet and spread their brains across half the county.
But do not DEIGN to tell ME that *I* have to shoulder the burden of THEIR decisions!

I say the world would be a better place without em!


Amen! I don't know how you could be more right.

Bear 45/70 wrote:
The trouble is the world you want is at least 50 years in the past. The trouble is big brother doesn't see it your way and I still end up paying if you screw up.


It's stupid to eat fast food every day, and we end up paying for thier health care, so we better start regulating McDonalds. <-- sarcasm>

This is why socialism/marxism fails every time. Socialism requires everyone to share the burden. So then this gives everyone the right to tell others how to live their lives. This then ends all individual freedom.

Yes, we are heading down this path already, so what do we do? The sheep say it's too late to go back and start supporting stupid laws, (like the hemet one). If you know the system is wrong, yet you support a law that is only needed because of the broken system that you know is wrong, then you are just another lemming running off the cliff. By your logic every single person's diet should be regulated by the goverment because if they don't eat healthy, you end up paying for it.

wow, talk about thread drift....
 

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drkarrow wrote:
Phssthpok wrote:
And therein lies the root of the problem.

Gov't has delared that 'we the people' must shoulder the burden of resposibility for those who will not do so themselves. Where the *&#!@ do they get off telling me that I HAVE to pay to care for some putz who scrambled his brains by not wearing a helmet?

IT'S NOT THEIR PLACE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. It's not the government's responsibility.

The very fact that people know that gummint will take care of them enables the stupid people of the world to make stupid decisions without repercussions. If you wanna stop a vast majority of stupid decisions, MAKE them accept the consequences.....STOP ENABLING THEM.

Last I checked we still live in 'The Land of the Free' (or so they claim). Let the weak willed fry their brains with drugs. Let the idiots of the world drive without a seatbelt and impale themselves on a steering column. Let the stupid people ride bikes without a helmet and spread their brains across half the county.
But do not DEIGN to tell ME that *I* have to shoulder the burden of THEIR decisions!

I say the world would be a better place without em!


Amen! I don't know how you could be more right.

Bear 45/70 wrote:
The trouble is the world you want is at least 50 years in the past. The trouble is big brother doesn't see it your way and I still end up paying if you screw up.


It's stupid to eat fast food every day, and we end up paying for thier health care, so we better start regulating McDonalds. <-- sarcasm>

This is why socialism/marxism fails every time. Socialism requires everyone to share the burden. So then this gives everyone the right to tell others how to live their lives. This then ends all individual freedom.

Yes, we are heading down this path already, so what do we do? The sheep say it's too late to go back and start supporting stupid laws, (like the hemet one). If you know the system is wrong, yet you support a law that is only needed because of the broken system that you know is wrong, then you are just another lemming running off the cliff. By your logic every single person's diet should be regulated by the goverment because if they don't eat healthy, you end up paying for it.

wow, talk about thread drift....
I never said I agree with it. It's a fact of life and you will never see the Liberals let it change.
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Maybe you guys are unaware but driving a car or riding a motorcycle is not a Constitutional guarantee and they can make all the rules they want about it. So stop
deadhorse.gif
With all due respect, either we believe in liberty or we don't. We don't check our guiding principles at the door just because something isn't a constitutional issue.

Where do you draw the line? You'd be safer wearing a helmet driving your cage (car). Let's mandate that.

You'd be MUCH safer not riding a motorcycle at all. After all, it's not constitutionally guaranteed. You don't NEED to do it.

See the problem? "To everyone according to their NEED" is communism. We do things differently here.

I don't have to demonstrate need and I don't have to follow somebody else's idea of safety. In a free society, they have a right to THEIR life and I have mine.
 

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Who said it's aConstitutional guarantee?

I like this piece of paper sometimes:

Declaration of independence

"Because the right is not set forth in the U. S. Constitution, it is not enforceable by the courts. However, the right to the pursuit of happiness is often raised in arguments against government regulations, because its mention in the Declaration of Independence gives it a degree of forcefulness. Barron's Law Dictionary, 2nd Ed, pg.378."

Go make your rules to keep everyone safe, just leave me out.



Oh yeah... Terry stops, that's another one of your surpreme court interpretations of myrights I reject!
 

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t3rmin wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
Maybe you guys are unaware but driving a car or riding a motorcycle is not a Constitutional guarantee and they can make all the rules they want about it. So stop
deadhorse.gif
With all due respect, either we believe in liberty or we don't. We don't check our guiding principles at the door just because something isn't a constitutional issue.

Where do you draw the line? You'd be safer wearing a helmet driving your cage (car). Let's mandate that.

You'd be MUCH safer not riding a motorcycle at all. It's not constitutionally guaranteed. You don't need to do it.

See the problem? "To everyone according to their need" is communism. We do things simply because we are free and wish to.
You're preaching to the choir. But even if something is Constitutionally protected, it hasn't stopped the government from violating said Constitution. Has there been a public out cry over it? NO! Why? Because most people in this country only care about themselves and their family and until they or their family gets stepped on they will tolerate anything. Humans never learn from history, so unless you have enough support to get the revolution rolling, whining about it is just that whining. Why do you thing Kennedy and is ilk keep being elected to Congress?
 

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drkarrow wrote:
By your logic every single person's diet should be regulated by the goverment because if they don't eat healthy, you end up paying for it.

If hillarys healthcare plan go through this could happen.

I know"way off topic", but I couldn't resist.
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
heresolong wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
Usually those without helmets are those without any provisions to care for them when they become vegetables, so the public ends up picking up the tab, not my idea of a responsible person.
That's an absolute lie, Bear. There are plenty of places you can find out the truth on this so don't go spewing your libelous falsehoods here.
20 years as an EMT with a volunteer fire department and married to a professional Para-medic. she's still working BTW,for longer than that tells me you are wrong. Both of us have seen it time after time. So if I've seen it it is a fact you can take to the bank. The Brady Bunch use stats all the time to support their lies. You can make stats say whatever you want.
You were an EMT so you saw the figures on who pays the tab for motorcycle accidents? That's a load of BS.

And what is it about you and your crap that every time someone disagrees with you you compare them to some liberal group. You do it constantly. I disagree with you therefore I am like the Brady Bunch. Other people disagree with you and they must be voting for Obama or Clinton. You are so full of SH@#$#t.
 

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t3rmin wrote:
See the problem? "To everyone according to their NEED" is communism. We do things differently here.

I don't have to demonstrate need and I don't have to follow somebody else's idea of safety. In a free society, they have a right to THEIR life and I have mine.
And that is exactly why I choose to write in an ink format, because we are the United States and if we want to use a pen in space then gosh darn it we are going to spend millions to develop a zero-gravity pen. Those dirty commies choose to use a pencil, I say f that, I'm an American and I refuse to use pencil declaring that fact!
 

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heresolong wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
heresolong wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
Usually those without helmets are those without any provisions to care for them when they become vegetables, so the public ends up picking up the tab, not my idea of a responsible person.
That's an absolute lie, Bear. There are plenty of places you can find out the truth on this so don't go spewing your libelous falsehoods here.
20 years as an EMT with a volunteer fire department and married to a professional Para-medic. she's still working BTW,for longer than that tells me you are wrong. Both of us have seen it time after time. So if I've seen it it is a fact you can take to the bank. The Brady Bunch use stats all the time to support their lies. You can make stats say whatever you want.
You were an EMT so you saw the figures on who pays the tab for motorcycle accidents? That's a load of BS.

And what is it about you and your crap that every time someone disagrees with you you compare them to some liberal group. You do it constantly. I disagree with you therefore I am like the Brady Bunch. Other people disagree with you and they must be voting for Obama or Clinton. You are so full of SH@#$#t.
People who actually volunteer do something for the communityusually follow up on the people they see at accidents to know the out come. Until HIPA came along you would have been surprised what we could learn on a follow up to the hospital.
 
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