Thundar wrote:
LEO 229, I think you need to back up and understand the limitations that society places upon you.
Your original statement about pointing a firearm at citizens was beyond the pale. The practice you describe is legally and morally unjustified. Legally police are not above the brandishing law. You know this and try to refute that unpleasant (to you) factwith weak hypotheticals, an assertion that you can get away with it because magistrates won't issue warrants and accusations ofharming officer safety.Morally, when you assert that you, unlike a citizen, can endanger citizens to enhance your own safety, you advocate a cowardly, elitist and selfish practice.
I think that you need to read the brandishing code again. An act such as placing your hand on your firearm is not brandishing. A police officer drawing his firearm is not IMHObrandishing. Pointing a firearm at the head of a victim absent a clear threat is IMHO brandishing.
Go ahead and point the gun at grandma's head. When she has a heart attack or when you have a negligent discharge that is just the way the cookie crumbles. After all you can easily articulate a possible threat. It would go something like this:
"Well judge old ladies often knit. She has long hair and might have been concealing a knitting needle in her hair.I am sorry she had aheart attack, but I point guns at peoples heads to enhance my own safety. I am a police officer after all."
That is a lot different than a clear threat such as:
"She left the bar in a belligerent manner. When I told her to stop she said you'll be sorry copper and reached into her purse. I drew my firearm and ordered her to drop the purse. I am sorry she had a heart attack but the threat was clear and I reacted to it."
You sir... need to read the code again.:banghead:
You would be arrested for brandishing if you hold the grip of your gun in your holster or even more so when draw it and it was not justified. :X
This is not a "moral" issue at all. It is about what the police are permitted to do in the course of their duties. It is notsomething you do casually. There is going to be a good reason for drawing down on a suspect.
But you.... simply cannot fathom the idea that this is allowed.
You want to use the 'ol"give grandma a heart attack" or"accidental discharge" to prove why it should not happen.
If grandma is a threat and croaks at the sight of a gun... so be it.Does this happen to everyone. No! I do not know that this has EVER happened.
Accidental discharges do not always happen either.On very rare occasions it has happened. But that is the price of doing business. You can be as safe as possible but to be truly safe.. you must not have a gun at all.
Out of the 900,000 cops if only 1% drew there gun daily and pointed it at a suspect you have 9,000 cops each day. How many ADs did we have today?
OK... out of the first 130 days of the year we would have had 270,000 cops draw their guns so far this year.... how many ADs did we have so far this year?
Please count the number and let me know. I would love to see how you can justify not pointing a gun because a AD could happen.
You may not like the idea of a cop pointing his gun in the direction of someone who "may" be a danger... but you have that luxury...you can sit back behind your computer and say how bad it is. But I think you also carry a gun around in public.
Why??!!! People are not dangerous now are they. The police do not need to point guns and have the upper hand and you do not need to go out armed.:lol:
I really do not feel like discussing this with you any further since you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. :uhoh:
