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    Ok, so I know this is more about carry rights in general, but still I think you get the point. The sequel to the highly successful Students for Concealed Carry on Campus is up and running on Facebook as of last night. Californians for Concealed Carry Rights is our work continuing on in the effort to expand the right of self protection to people in California and to halt the spread of the anti 2A movement and eradicate it at its source. Here is our mission statement.
    Every day politicians, celebrities, bags of cash, valuable works of art, warehouses full of goods, and important places are protected with armed guards. Why? They're valuable. So is the everyday person like you and me. We have families. We have friends. Our lives are just as valuable and equally worth protecting. The right to do so is respected and almost everywhere these days, and is even available to Californians when outside their own state. This is a basic human right.

    Yet for millions of Californians this right is outrightly denied the moment they step out their doorstep near their own home.

    In the vast majority of the US this right is recognized and upheld via Shall Issue policies of concealed carry license: anyone with a clean record showing they follow the law, is 21 years or older, has basic understanding of the applicable laws, and possesses basic competency in handling of firearms is given license their sidearm of choice upon their person, concealed as to conduct their lives among society without disruption of others or harassment by those of differing beliefs. California even has this right acknowledged in many counties, and in fact in the vast majority of the land area of the state. Yes, there is a such thing as a California license to carry firearms. In many areas this is well respected, yet in others you'd never know it exists at all, and some even go out of their way to make sure you never get one for yourself.

    For some strange reason some areas of California has it subject to the whims of politicians who often see little in the value of rights and safety of the individual. You literally have less rights purely by being resident in the most populated areas of California. The SAME PERSON anywhere else occupying any of the Free States or in other areas somehow magically becomes judged less worthy for the mere fact of crossing an imaginary line.

    The massacres of Virginia Tech, the mall in Nebraska, and NIU occurred in so called "gun free zones," meaning places where lawful possession of firearms of law abiding citizens was prohibited. The law abiding complied and were rewarded with execution. Absolutely zero was accomplished except guaranteeing their helplessness. Most states long ago realized the necessity for allowing citizens their right to self defense in public, and now are working to rectify the problems caused by exclusions to this basic right. Concealed carry by the average citizen has been a success everywhere it has been tried. Correspondingly, the lack of it has clearly been proven to achieve the opposite. California by its questionable "may issue" system has, for the vast majority of the population, become the country's largest "gun free zone." As a result people are free targets for all manner of violent crime because of it. More restrictions on gun ownership, particularly that which may be carried and the act of carrying them are implemented...and the crime continues. Not one less crime actually ever takes place, and nobody even bothers to honestly ask why. Yet as the rest of the country has gotten wise to the problem and is fixing it, the heavily populated counties in CA and the state remain the same and are in fact moving in the opposite direction, away from what has worked everywhere else. The solution to the problem is being applied everywhere else, yet where it is needed it is completely ignored. In fact the very people who deserve the same relief, the same freedom to solve their own problems are the very people to whom the proven solution is being denied.

    In short, if you live in the heavily populated counties of California, you are being punished for living there--just because misguided politicians and policemen who are supposed to care for your safety suggest doing so by implementing policies which insure the opposite. Laws, laws, and more laws, yet none of the "promised" results. Those who trumpet the cause of firearms restriction in the name of safety are charlatans. Rather than being demanded to account for their results, they are instead given free rein to sacrifice other people to their flawed, feelgood based policies in spite of what results virtually everwhere else have shown.

    This group's purpose is to demand, quite simply, the same right to defend ourselves in California as is afforded to citizens in the vast majority of the rest of the US. There is absolutely no reason to obstruct or exclude any citizen's right to carry who is otherwise accepted in 40 out of the 50 states. Those who have license to do so in other states should have their rights honored here as well.

    The Second Amendment is not optional, discretionary, or subject to arbitrary whims. To defend oneself is not only a right, it is a fundamental responsibility.
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    Who needs to join?

    Anyone who has moved from another state and now has less rights than they had--for the "crime" of moving to California.

    If you have out of state permits that are valid in lots of places EXCEPT...where you live. You're actually safer 300 miles away than at your grocery store.

    If you live in a county that has no issue because of sheriffs who think your rights aren't rights just because you're in their jurisdiction.

    If you don't have $10,000+ to donate to a local election in exchange for the right to protect your life--and you don't find legalized bribery within your ethics.

    If you don't think having an occupation that can kill you should be a requirement for the right not to be murdered.

    If you'd rather not have to be robbed or raped first to be justified in defending yourself from being robbed or raped the second time.

    If your last name isn't Affleck or Stallone or first name isn't preceded by "The Honorable" yet your kids still love you and want you to get home safe at night.
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    This isn't about being extreme or outlandish. It's simply a demand for equal rights. Give us the same access to our rights as everywhere else. The right to go to a gas station late at night. The right to visit an ATM without being a target. The right to drive your car without fear of it being stolen with you in it. The right to not have someone else's bad decisions in life decide whether or not your family sees you that night.

    There should be NO:

    "Good Cause" requirement that can be rejected on a whim. We are living human beings. Human life is priceless. Our families value us more than a bag of cash or a tray of diamonds. That's good enough cause to defend ourselves wherever we may be.

    No "discretion" in determining who gets to choose whether to bear arms or not. That's our job.

    No ridiculous repository or waiting periods. Waiting till 21 years old, being able to pay retail price for it, and going through a standard FBI background check and ATF form 4473 is good enough for anyone everywhere else.

    No exclusionary list of what a panel of bureacrats think is "acceptable" and "safe" for ordinary citizens to own while the state's designated people have no such standard. Whatever the market provides and the individual determines appropriate for them as in every other state should be available to all who can legally purchase.

    No more nonsense because we somehow cross a line between two spots in the desert, one tree further south, or some rock in the middle of a river. This is the United States of America and it's about time California got the picture and started acting like it.
    All who support us are welcome to join, particularly if you or people you know live in California in the heavily populated counties which are under the thumb of anti 2A obstructionists. Please join and contribute. This is an effort which has long been needed but has been divided among factions namecalling each other, making long winded rants and accomplishing little or nothing, and worst of all not making any connection to the world outside our own. We need all of you. NRA, GOA, SAF, Pink Pistols, OCDO, Glocktalk, whatever...we need all of you and everyone you know. This is what pretty much everyone agrees with among the people here, so I'm wanting to use it to unify us all in getting this message across to the masses. The goal is to take it to the non firearms world and get them to think in our terms. IMMEDIATELY. Not some long winded arguement based on people who have been dead for 200 years that don't look like them. Not expensive toys or games people play in the woods or getting meat that can't be had in a grocery store or drinking beers in the woods. This is what everyone of every nationality, every religion, every political inclination, and every social class can identify with. EQUAL rights. Value of human life. Family responsibility. There is no argument against that which holds any water, and any further obstruction of it is intolerable.

    I can't do this on my own but I simply cannot simply sit by and see it not done. I'm not asking anyone for a dime, but for maybe a few minutes of your time every now and then to tell others, to spread the word, to start asking questions and demanding answers. To not be satisfied with anything other than victory from now on.

    Millions of people have CCW's. Millions more have firearms but don't know what their rights are and do nothing to help themselves or us. Still many millions more haven't the first idea that you can own firearms legally, enjoy them, use them safely, and most importantly fulfill their responsibility to their families, society, and themselves to be well defended against threats of crime or oppression. We have been silent, divided, unclear, confused, complacent, or kept to ourselves too long and we have been punished for it. No more.

    Many thanks.

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    Maybe some information about your organization, like a link, url, domain name, address etc. would help you in your efforts.

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    Just have the Facebook group up so far, http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=13443674946 Working on the domain name and the rest as I can. If you're not on Facebook yet sign up, and get everyone else you know who's pro-2A to do so as well.

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    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=13443674946 Working on the rest. Getting everyone to the Facebook group first, then working on the website. Just taking the first steps so far, but the big thing is getting started. We need all the help we can get.
    Also on MySpace http://groups.myspace.com/California...ledCarryRights

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    I suggest you contact the leaders at: 1) various state RKBA organizations near you (AZ and UT come to mind), 2) SCCC, and 3) VCDL for additional ideas.

    A board called The High Road (http://www.thehighroad.org) is a great place to check out too. JIM MARCH is a great resource there - contact him too.

    Best wishes and keep us posted!

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    Ah yes, thank you. I've been a member of SCCC for quite a while and in fact SCCC was the very basis for CCCR, basically only changing from campus to California as the arbitrary zone of carry rights exclusion. Same principles, same reasoning, even a lot of the same articles and website references. I'm a regular poster on GlockTalk, The Firing Line, California CCW.org, Calguns, and ArcheryTalk. Was on AR15.com till someone snuck on to my account and got it locked. I'll start getting the word out on TheHighRoad now. Many thanks. Please join CCCR and spread the word to everyone else you know! We need all the help we can get. In fact, I'd say everyone who is on here from CA, has friends or family there, or just plain wants CA to change so it doesn't screw us all (and believe me, the powers that be want to) should join right now. My goal is in fact to consolidate all of the pro 2A people, or as many as possible, to get the California situation fixed. Not working together has cost us. Further still not talking to everyone we know and spreading the message to the non firearms community has cost us more. There are millions of people who simply don't speak up, don't know what's going on, or simply don't think it's for them because nobody they know or they identify with has told them they're welcome among us.

    Join now and speak!

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    Jim March on The High Road was instrumental in an effort to get shall issue CCW in CA.

    He moved out of state as I recall, but I believe he would be a profound source of informationand inspiration.

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