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    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...n_N.htm?csp=34



    By David Jackson, USA TODAY

    WASHINGTON — After courting traditionally Democratic voters, Republican John McCain will tend to his conservative roots for a new round of voter outreach.
    The presumptive Republican presidential nominee has scheduled speeches on judges and gun rights — two issues that have fueled the success of conservative candidates going back to Ronald Reagan.

    Some conservatives have voiced suspicion of McCain, from author Ann Coulter to delegates attending the Conservative Political Action Conference in February. Complaints range from the Arizona senator's support of campaign-finance overhaul to compromising with Senate Democrats on judicial nominations.

    McCain strategist Charles Black said the rank-and-file is with McCain because "he's been conservative the whole campaign."

    On Tuesday, as Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama battle in North Carolina's primary, McCain will discuss judicial nominations in the Tar Heel state. He also has agreed to speak in mid-May at the National Rifle Association convention in Louisville.

    Last month, McCain sought votes in industrial Ohio and among blacks in Alabama.

    Even though McCain had the Republican nomination locked up, 27% of Pennsylvania Republicans still voted against him in last week's primary. Texas Rep. Ron Paul took 16% of the GOP vote and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a social conservative, got 11%.

    Michael Gaynor, a New York lawyer who blogs for several conservative websites, attributed some of the unease about McCain to the senator's membership in the so-called "Gang of 14." That bipartisan group of senators worked out a 2005 deal with the White House on conservative appeals court nominees who had been blocked by Senate Democrats.

    McCain and other Republicans in the group said the deal paved the way for confirmation of three conservative jurists. Two other nominees never got a vote, though, critics noted. "I think there's an obligation under the Constitution to give any judicial nominee an up or down vote," Gaynor said.

    Theodore Olson, who heads McCain's judicial advisory committee, said legal-minded conservatives should be more than comfortable with McCain. He noted that the McCain repeatedly invokes the names of President Bush's two Supreme Court appointees, Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justice Samuel Alito.

    On his website, McCain says he would nominate jurists who "faithfully apply the law as written, not impose their opinions through judicial fiat."

    Nan Aron, who has opposed many Bush judicial nominees as president of the Alliance For Justice, said McCain's emphasis on judges is a way to establish his "bona fides with the extreme wing of the Republican Party." She notes the judiciary has sway over many issues that animate conservatives, such as guns, affirmative action, school prayer and abortion.

    The National Rifle Association has opposed McCain on campaign-finance legislation, particularly restrictions on issue advertising that were later struck down by the Supreme Court. Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's chief executive officer, said he also opposed a McCain plan for background checks at gun shows, arguing "red tape" would have shut down all such shows.

    Otherwise, the NRA has given McCain high marks, LaPierre said, adding that McCain is the only presidential candidate "with a pro-Second Amendment record of any kind."

    The ongoing Democratic race is probably helping McCain with conservatives, said Grover Norquist, president of Americans For Tax Reform. Norquist said conservatives will rally around McCain to win in November.

    "With every day," he said, "the discomfort level with McCain drops."
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    Norquist said conservatives will rally around McCain to win in November.

    "With every day," he said, "the discomfort level with McCain drops."


    Not with me it dont. McCain was one of the politicos that voted to give amnesty to friggin illegals!

    http://www.firesociety.com/article/21141

    My "discomfort level with McCain" is high!
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    Well, give yourself 184 days. On November 4, you can either:

    1) Not Vote. (I would count that as supporting the Democratic Party nominee.)

    2) Cast a protest vote,

    3) Cast a vote for the Democratic Party nominee,

    4) Vote for John McCain. (You can hold your nose if that helps.)

    Which choice would further the pro-rights movement best?

    The choice is yours.

    Side note: God help us gun owners if Wyoming's electoral college votes go to the Democratic Party nominee. Then I'll say this country is in real trouble In 2004, Wyoming voted for Bush 69% vs. Kerry getting only 29%.

    I look forward to hearing what SEN McCain has to say at the NRA convention. I hope he will at leastbecome a gun owner by then.

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    XD Owner wrote
    SEN McCain has to say at the NRA convention.
    He'll say what ever he will, his past actions condemn him.

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    Is he going to start the speech by saying, "You have to understand, you don't have any rights unless my butt buddy Ted Kennedy and I pass a law that says so." (Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment on Ted Kennedy's role in diminishing the rights of the American people)

    McCain says he would nominate jurists who "faithfully apply the law as written, not impose their opinions through judicial fiat."

    And right there is why McCain is an SOB I'll never trust and only vote for because I see any other viable option as so much God awful worse. Let's try this again John, and it may help you with your stance on illegal immigration - you know, that little foreign invasion thing the feds are supposed to protect the people from - ok repeat after me:

    I will nominate jurists who faithfully apply the Constitution of the United States of America as written, not impose their opinions on what the constitution should say through judicial fiat.

    It is only on the issue of judicial nominees that I can even bring myself to vote for the man. I really think that he just doesn't get it on any level. Still, given him or a leftist fascist such as Obama or a hardcore socialist like Billary, I'll hold my nose very tightly and vote for the SOB and pray to God that he surprises me by being more constitutional than I expected. At least there is a CHANCE with McCain that we will keep all of our current guns and will stave off another AWB. With Hillary we would have to be constantly on edge and concerned about further restrictions, bans but probably not seizure. With Obama, we would have to bury all but our daily carry weapoins undisclosed locations, buy as much ammo as we can and bury that as well, acquire as many more as possible through private sale before private commerce is banned and generally sit in our homes at night and wonder which night the JBT will kick our doors in. I trust him as far as I can throw an adult elephant.d
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    You forgot Choice #5:
    Write-in Ron Paul.

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    XD Owner wrote:
    2) Cast a protest vote,
    Casting a vote for anyone other than the current Democrat or Republican of the time is not a protest vote. Some people actually vote for candidates and not against them.

    If you want anything to ever be different in American politics, it's going to take a lot of people voting for somebody other than the two major sell-out parties. Otherwise, expect a lot more of the same or worse.
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    Evil Ernie wrote:
    You forgot Choice #5:
    Write-in Ron Paul.
    I put that in Category 2 - Protest vote. Come on, you want the Democrats to take the White House along with keeping control of the House AND Senate?



    Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion. Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to mine.





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    +1. I'm writing in Ron Paul in November as well.


    Flintlock wrote:
    Casting a vote for anyone other than the current Democrat or Republican of the time is not a protest vote. Some people actually vote for candidates and not against them.

    If you want anything to ever be different in American politics, it's going to take a lot of people voting for somebody other than the two major sell-out parties. Otherwise, expect a lot more of the same or worse.
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    XD Owner wrote:
    Which choice would further the pro-rights movement best?
    I'm not sure. I still haven't decided whether McCain winning or losing would further the pro-rights movement most. In some ways, I think the Republicans losing badly in November might force the party elites to remember the conservatives that elect them...maybe we'll see a short return to conservatism before they abandon us again, and that might actually further our agenda more in the long run.

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    Ron Paul 2008.

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    Write in Ron Paul.

    Who's Chuck Baldwin?

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    Well, give yourself 184 days. On November 4, you can either:

    1) Not Vote. (I would count that as supporting the Democratic Party nominee.)

    I've always voted.

    2) Cast a protest vote,

    I dont believe in those. I vote for who I think is either the best candidate or, more commonly these days, who's the lesser evil.

    3) Cast a vote for the Democratic Party nominee,

    I'd sooner piss on a electricfied fence!

    4) Vote for John McCain. (You can hold your nose if that helps.)

    *holds nose*

    Which choice would further the pro-rights movement best?

    no demlib that's for sure.

    The choice is yours.

    Side note: God help us gun owners if Wyoming's electoral college votes go to the Democratic Party nominee. Then I'll say this country is in real trouble In 2004, Wyoming voted for Bush 69% vs. Kerry getting only 29%.


    I'll be the most astonished person inWyoming if that happens.




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    McCain can get my vote with a few simple words: "I will veto any new federal gun control laws, including any restrictions on private transfers at gun shows." That's my line in the sand.

    If McCain loses, oh well. Maybe the GOP will get the message they seem to have missed in 2006.

    More of the Romneyesqe "I support the 2nd Amendment" BS is going to do nothing but annoy me.


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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Write in Ron Paul.

    Who's Chuck Baldwin?
    Presidential nominee for the Constitution Party.

    http://www.constitutionparty.com/
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    This election will be a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. The top 3 are no different than water from two sides of the cup. We are screwed, this country is screwed and it is what happens when idiots are allowed to vote. All 3 were cut from the same worthless and rotting skin. So cast your vote, don't cast your vote, or do a protest vote; it will not make any difference. This November will be no different than being required to choose to eat cow **** or dog **** for your last meal…it is still ****.

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    Ask yourself, which candidate has a greater likelihood of nominating federal judges, McCain or Hildebeast/Obama. Clearly, it's McCain. Most of the time, nominations of District Judges go unchallenged by the Senate. Thus, even if the Senate remains controlled by the Dems, McCain would be able to seat plenty of District Court Judges. Granted, it would be difficult to get real hardliners on the Court of Appeals or Supreme Court, but anybody he would nominate would be much better than the Ruth Bader Ginsburg types that would be sent up by Hildebeast/Obama.

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