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    http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Newark.....2.715396.html

    Uzi Gunfire Rattles Streets Of Newark
    Two Killed After Brawl Turns Into Submachine Gun Warfare
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    NEWARK (CBS) ― Two men fatally shot each other after they brawled in Newark on Saturday afternoon.

    The incident began around 2 p.m., said Det. Todd McClendon, a Newark police spokesman.

    Police did not confirm what sparked the brawl, butidentified the victims as 16-year-old BashirDavis and28-year-old Jaronne Culver. They say there was a fight over turf, and may have involved a third man who fled in a car. One of the weapons used was an uzi, a type of submachine gun.

    "I know both of them both of them," said Newark resident Amani Shakur. Both are generally good guys. I don't know what happened."

    McClendon said one man was pronounced dead at the scene, while the other was taken to University Hospital in Newark, where he died a short time later.

    There have now been 22 homicides in Newark this year, compared to 31 that had occurred by this time last year.

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    Both were good men, but an uzi was involved something does not equate to me

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    An Uzi is a machine pistol not a machine gun........big difference in firepower. The press never gets it right. May have been a semi-auto model as well.

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    casullshooter wrote:
    An Uzi is a machine pistol not a machine gun........big difference in firepower. The press never gets it right. May have been a semi-auto model as well.

    It says submachine gun, which is accurate (assuming it's full auto).

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    This is a false report. These firearms are banned in NJ and therefore this incident never happened.

    Glad I left...

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    Dr. Fresh wrote:
    casullshooter wrote:
    An Uzi is a machine pistol not a machine gun........big difference in firepower. The press never gets it right. May have been a semi-auto model as well.

    It says submachine gun, which is accurate (assuming it's full auto).
    "One of the weapons used was an Uzi, a type of submachine gun"

    Not all Uzis are full auto. So the statement here is only partially correct.

    The problem is that at first glance it makes you think it was a "machine gun" and it is not identified one way or the other. So readers are going to assume it was.

    "The submachine gun is an automatic or selective-fired shoulder weapon that fires pistol-caliber ammunition."

    So they got the submachine gun right.



    An Uzi does have a collapasable stock so this makes it a shoulder fire weapon. So this is not a maching pistol.



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    "I know both of them both of them. Both are generally good guys."

    Modern Definitions:

    "Good guys" don't shoot at each other.

    "Generally good guys" only shoot at each other.

    "Bad guys" shoot at anybody.

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    Pointman wrote:
    "I know both of them both of them. Both are generally good guys."

    Modern Definitions:

    "Good guys" don't shoot at each other.

    "Generally good guys" only shoot at each other.

    "Bad guys" shoot at anybody.
    I can agree to that!!

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    Evil Ernie wrote:
    This is a false report. These firearms are banned in NJ and therefore this incident never happened.
    Yup yup...

    I get the odd feeling that said Uzi isn't on the NFA registry...

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    Dr. Fresh wrote:
    casullshooter wrote:
    An Uzi is a machine pistol not a machine gun........big difference in firepower. The press never gets it right. May have been a semi-auto model as well.

    It says submachine gun, which is accurate (assuming it's full auto).
    My money says it's a semi-auto, for now anyway. That may change after BATF gets done "examining" it.
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    LEO 229 wrote:
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    An Uzi does have a collapasable stock so this makes it a shoulder fire weapon. So this is not a maching pistol.

    Perhaps not the model you showed. However there ARE machine pistol models in the UZI line up. Since the paper doesn't say (know) what KIND of UZI it was, we have no way of knowing if it was a shoulder-fired, pistol, semi-auto, or an NFA classified 'machine gun'.

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    Phssthpok wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
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    An Uzi does have a collapasable stock so this makes it a shoulder fire weapon. So this is not a maching pistol.

    Perhaps not the model you showed. However there ARE machine pistol models in the UZI line up. Since the paper doesn't say (know) what KIND of UZI it was, we have no way of knowing if it was a shoulder-fired, pistol, semi-auto, or an NFA classified 'machine gun'.
    but its got one of those barrel shroud thingies that go up on the shoulder, so it's an assault rifle regardless.... right?... uh right?.....

    in al seriousness, does anyone here honestly expect the media to report on the actual weapon that is used? I have seen repots that classifies a Hi point 995 as an "assault rifle", reports that classified semi-auto rifles as "automatic" and reports that have distorted the truth even farther. teh media has no interest in reporting facts, because facts are boring, and they don't help out with the "ban all guns!!!" mentality. frankly, I'd be suprised if teh weapon was actually an UZI.

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    unreconstructed1 wrote:
    but its got one of those barrel shroud thingies that go up on the shoulder, so it's an assault rifle regardless.... right?... uh right?.....

    in al seriousness, does anyone here honestly expect the media to report on the actual weapon that is used? I have seen repots that classifies a Hi point 995 as an "assault rifle", reports that classified semi-auto rifles as "automatic" and reports that have distorted the truth even farther. teh media has no interest in reporting facts, because facts are boring, and they don't help out with the "ban all guns!!!" mentality. frankly, I'd be suprised if teh weapon was actually an UZI.
    Yeah, "Uzi" seems pretty generic these days for "scary black gun". My high school history teacher liked to refer to regular people "walking down the street carrying an Uzi" whenever he tried to ridicule me for my pro-gun position. Well, until I said that I'd rather carry a select-fire AK-47 or a sawed-off shotgun, since they're more useful for SD purposes, in my opinion... :shock:

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    I know what you mean. I personally love NFA weapons, and would love to have some were it legal. any time I mention this to anyone, they go off on a rant about an "machine guns and uzis" being illegal "and for good reason".

    although no one wants to specify what that "good reason" is, other than "daily massacres"

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    unreconstructed1 wrote:
    I know what you mean. I personally love NFA weapons, and would love to have some were it legal. any time I mention this to anyone, they go off on a rant about an "machine guns and uzis" being illegal "and for good reason".

    although no one wants to specify what that "good reason" is, other than "daily massacres"
    I guess massacres of a population by the government are more acceptable than the occasional suicidal maniac who shoots a few people before being taken out by an armed civilian... Ask 65+ year-old German Jews (er, aside from the 6 million who "disappeared") about the daily massacres when the people don't have access to machine guns.

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    I guess massacres of a population by the government are more acceptable than the occasional suicidal maniac who shoots a few people before being taken out by an armed civilian... Ask 65+ year-old German Jews (er, aside from the 6 million who "disappeared") about the daily massacres when the people don't have access to machine guns.
    better watch it Imperialism, any time I begin to suggest anything similar around heer I get the old " but this is teh U.S. of A. line.

    it amazes me sometimes.

    in the late 18th century, our forefathers faced death, torture, and hanging in order to secure the blessings of Liberty for posterity. once they suceeded, they went about making sure that their descendents (all of us) would have the opportunity to keep the government from becoming the same tyrannical despotism that they had just left. now, less than 250 years later, we have suceeded in ******* away virtually everything that they put their lives on the line to give us.... All in the name of "security"

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    Phssthpok wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
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    An Uzi does have a collapasable stock so this makes it a shoulder fire weapon. So this is not a maching pistol.

    Perhaps not the model you showed. However there ARE machine pistol models in the UZI line up. Since the paper doesn't say (know) what KIND of UZI it was, we have no way of knowing if it was a shoulder-fired, pistol, semi-auto, or an NFA classified 'machine gun'.
    Maybe, but as said before, once BATF gets through with however many tests it takes them, it will be a machine gun by their standards of the moment and further charges would follow had both parties not died. Lucky for them that they did!!

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    unreconstructed1 wrote:
    imperialism2024 wrote:
    I guess massacres of a population by the government are more acceptable than the occasional suicidal maniac who shoots a few people before being taken out by an armed civilian... Ask 65+ year-old German Jews (er, aside from the 6 million who "disappeared") about the daily massacres when the people don't have access to machine guns.
    better watch it Imperialism, any time I begin to suggest anything similar around heer I get the old " but this is teh U.S. of A. line.

    it amazes me sometimes.

    in the late 18th century, our forefathers faced death, torture, and hanging in order to secure the blessings of Liberty for posterity. once they suceeded, they went about making sure that their descendents (all of us) would have the opportunity to keep the government from becoming the same tyrannical despotism that they had just left. now, less than 250 years later, we have suceeded in ******* away virtually everything that they put their lives on the line to give us.... All in the name of "security"
    And SAFETY. Who can be against safety. /end heavy sarcasm.

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    This "news"story is just another scare-piece.

    If it said, "Two suspected gang members shot it out with Uzi's, killing one, while a third escaped," it would be one notch above boring.

    Probably the mob paid off the reporter to write a piece that didn't reflect badly on the Families in the area. Can't have it look like a gang-war is getting started ala Corleone and the Five Families. Nor that the mafiosi can't control their soldiers.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Dr. Fresh wrote:
    casullshooter wrote:
    An Uzi is a machine pistol not a machine gun........big difference in firepower. The press never gets it right. May have been a semi-auto model as well.

    It says submachine gun, which is accurate (assuming it's full auto).
    "One of the weapons used was an Uzi, a type of submachine gun"

    Not all Uzis are full auto. So the statement here is only partially correct.

    The problem is that at first glance it makes you think it was a "machine gun" and it is not identified one way or the other. So readers are going to assume it was.

    "The submachine gun is an automatic or selective-fired shoulder weapon that fires pistol-caliber ammunition."

    So they got the submachine gun right.



    An Uzi does have a collapasable stock so this makes it a shoulder fire weapon. So this is not a maching pistol.

    You can assume the one in the picture is afull autoif the buttstock extends. At the very least it's a SBR if not select-fire. You can usually tell the semi-autos from their NFA brethren by the barrel lengthcombined with the buttstock (or lack thereof)

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