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    Fred Meyer 10201 SE 240th St, Kent, WA

    Sunday (5/4/08) : I was inFred Meyerfor about 1.5 hours doing some shopping for a bbq we were having. Bought a grill walked around and other than 1 dumb kid who made some comment about my "glock 9" it was completely uneventful.I remember thinking to myself"Great! another OC success and another company that is cool with it"

    Monday (5/5/08) : I happened to go back to Fred Meyer todayto look at a piece of furniture they had on sale; hoping it would fit all the little odds and endsI have for my guns. walked around, picked up some bbq sauce at the wife's request and some items at the Deli for the kid. I had, at this point, walked by several managers and no comment (button down shirt, tie types, though nowI realize always on my weak side). When ireached the elevator to hit thier apparel section the second floor i was stopped by a manager type:

    m1 : excuse me, sir

    m: yes

    m1 : (points to my hip) you cant have that in here

    m: is that store or corporate policy

    m1 : its store policy, and coporate policy

    m: can i get a business card or the name and number of your manager and a copy of the policy

    m1: why?

    at this point m1 (whose name i did not catch) was getting a little flustered i could tell, while i was talking to him a second manger type who's name is Kevin (Kevin's title is Store Director)walked up and said something to the effect of:

    Kevin : we've just had a lot of complaints from people

    m1 : its almost like your doing it on purpose!

    m : yes well, thats my right

    At this point M1 storms awayand im left talking to Kevin.

    Kevin: We'd just like you to cover it up

    I point at my shirt and say that i cant cover it up completely and that i wont partially cover it up as i dont think thats allowed (for reference i was in a t-shirt with a serpa and a G23 on my hip). Since i dont remember the dialog exactly i'll paraphrase from here.

    Kevin explains he's not against guns and doesnt think im there to cause trouble and that he hunts himself, but he's had several complaints. I asked for the corporate number so i could verify the policy. He said he didnt know what the official policy was, corporate or store, but said he would call me with the information and let me know. I asked if I could pay for the items i had in the cart before i left and he commented that he wasnt asking me to leave. (I had several nice responses for this one, but left it since he seemed like he wanted to figure out what the policy was before taking that kind of action). I thanked him, shook his hand and we parted ways. As I was walking out m1 was at the door of my exit. As I approached he got on his phone and started walking the opposite direction.

    Kevin and I did exchange business cards (i gave him one of the OCDO ones) so i'll give him a few days to respond to me on the corporate policyand we'll see what happens.

    Be aware, if you shop here there is a chance you'll meet some less than knowledgeable ppl on open carry.

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    Just got a call back from Kevin. He said he couldnt find anything on thier store or corporate policies on the carrying of handguns. He said he called other mangers and got different answers, most said that it was not allowed (so be careful if you go to other fred meyers!) He was generally very helpful and polite. He said the card (OCDO cards) were very helpful and i directed him to the RCW's on the back for further reading and mentioned i'd be happy to forward copies of the training bulletins.

    I said i understood that its a somewhat uncommon thing (unfortunately) and that i understood the reactions of the customers, even if i didnt agree with them.

    He told me that he hopes i come back in but also said that it would be better if i conceal from the standpoint of the customers ... To this i didnt reply though I have several choice comments for it, starting with "arent i a customer too"?

    So, im a little mixed. They wantme back in, and we're generally good natured about the incident but would "prefer" i conceal. I guess thats what mostbusinesses would say. He did not say iHAD to conceal, however, so i think when i dogo back (which is pretty infrequent) i will OC, just to do a little more education.

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    I have wondered how FM would handle it. I didn't see many posts here about them. It's interesting though that M1 stated that it's against store/corporate policy and M2 said there was nothing on the books. I guess thats what you get with uninformed managment who whish to make up their own rules as they go.





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    I have OC'd at the Fred Meyer in Auburn oh a half dozen times and had no real trouble. The self check out clerk asked if I was a LEO once and thought it was illegal but I said no and no and that was it. I have been back since then and no probs.

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    I did think it was odd that they didnt ask if i was LEO or not (which im not, for the record). Im gonna call thier corporate office and see if i can get a straight answer on thier policy.

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    My Brother in law works for them and they have a pretty strict no weapons policy for their employees. However if you are able to contact corporate remind them that their main competitor WalMart SamsClub is o.k. with it.

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    rysa wrote:
    I did think it was odd that they didnt ask if i was LEO or not (which im not, for the record). Im gonna call thier corporate office and see if i can get a straight answer on thier policy.
    I would think if it was their policy they would post it for you to see. I would leave it alone and just keep OC'ing until you see it posted at the door. Even then, in Oregon anyway, all they could do here is ask you to leave.

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    well, i have a call into corporate who is supposed to call me back. We'll see what they say.

    The reason i pursued it is if they do have a no firearms policy, then im not gonna shop there and if they dont then i want to be able to shove it back in m1's face if he gets after me again.

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    I want to hear back from corporate, through your correspondence, so I will know whether I need to add them to the DNP list. I don't think I do, but this certainly raises some questions.
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    Next time you are there, ask for Loss Preventions card so you can have them call their uppers and ask. I use to work at FM (except I was at Fred Meyer Jewelers) and I got in trouble for carrying a pocket knife to work. The store director basically told me she could get me fired for it. When I looked into the policy it only states that it must be 3.5 inches or less. Got to love the "Managers" of the stores.:celebrate

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    rysa wrote:
    i want to be able to shove it back in m1's face if he gets after me again.
    But I don't work there....lol

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    rysa wrote:
    i want to be able to shove it back in m1's face if he gets after me again.
    But I don't work there....lol
    details details. Somehow i dont think you would have had the same reaction as this guy if you worked there M1 :-)

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    krazichinaman wrote:
    Got to love the "Managers" of the stores.:celebrate
    +1 One of my first places of employment, and I was not impressed with the quality of the managers. In fact, my first department manager was fired for embezzlement.

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    MODERATOR EDIT - Mr. T is a troll and an agitator. His posts have been summarily deleted and are not worth quoting.

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    I pity the fool that thinks like this.

    lol.

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    Mr. T wrote:
    MODERATOR EDIT - Mr. T is a troll and an agitator. His posts have been summarily deleted and are not worth quoting.

    Have a nice Day - BobCav

    I cant tell if your new, anti-gun, or simply attempting to stir up controversy with an obviously out of place comment.

    By your logic, I forbid you to eat ham sandwiches, because I am afraid of them. If I ever see you in any store eating what i consider to be a ham sandwich then I will call the police and tell them you are causing alarm. I will also tell the store manager and you will be trespassed and not allowed to come back. I will then write my congressmen and tell them that ham sandwiches are dangerous because someone could choke and they should no longer be available to the general public. LEO's are ok thoughbecause they are trained to handle sandwiches of all kinds and mustpass a basic sandwich safetycourse.




    As an aside, I have continued to follow up with Fred Meyer on this issue and they are still working on it. It appears that their may not be a policy regarding firearms and they are attempting to write one. Im trying to get in touch with the folks actually working on it and not just the cust. svc. reps to influence thier decision if I can.

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    My itchy DNP finger awaits your results....
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    Mr. T wrote:
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    /banned

    What a moron.

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    This evening I had my family with me at my 11 yo son's baseball game where I was CC ing my Kimber .45 under a lightweight vest. After the game, we had to make a quick stop at the Fred Meyer on 240th in Kent. Still CC ing under vest... I didn't recieve any strange looks or anything...
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    SpyderTattoo wrote:
    This evening I had my family with me at my 11 yo son's baseball game where I was CC ing my Kimber .45 under a lightweight vest. After the game, we had to make a quick stop at the Fred Meyer on 240th in Kent. Still CC ing under vest... I didn't recieve any strange looks or anything...
    Maybe no looks or comments because the firearm was CONCEALLED!

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    So, this kinda' got dropped but, anyone find out what Fred Meyer's corperate policy is?
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    I've open carried lots in Fred Meyer, mostly in Covington but also Kent, Auburn, and Grants Pass and never a problem. Manager 1 at Kent has a management complex.

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    SpyderTattoo wrote:
    So, this kinda' got dropped but, anyone find out what Fred Meyer's corperate policy is?
    This didnt get dropped, i've been in contact with fred-meyer corporate a lot regarding this, with little to no luck. I've contacted them several times always getting an apology for it taking so long and little if anything else, other than a vague promise that someone from another division will get back to me. I will call them again tomorrow and see if they have any better excuses, since its been 2.5 months since the incident.

    Maybe someone with a bigger [insert derogatory word for male genitalia here] to swing would get better results.



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    What thread can I find the latest and greatest DNP list?


    Excuse me store manager, I saw a man wearing a pink shirt, I’m homophobic (which I'm not) and the way he dresses make me unconformable.Can you ask him to put his shirt in the car, or cover it up? Would'nt that be just as rude and uncalled for?


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    jbone wrote:
    What thread can I find the latest and greatest DNP list?
    Near the bottom of the second page: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/3630.html

    I guess there's no way to sticky it for us, as it's been asked many times.
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    just_a_car wrote:
    jbone wrote:
    What thread can I find the latest and greatest DNP list?
    Near the bottom of the second page: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/3630.html

    I guess there's no way to sticky it for us, as it's been asked many times.
    ThankYou!
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