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    Subject: VA-ALERT: National Parks - time to move!
    Date: 5/7/2008 1:52:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
    From: philip@virginiasystems.com
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    As you know, the Department of the Interior (DOI) has finally
    published a proposed change to the National Park and National Wildlife
    Refuge rules.

    The question is -- Does this DOI change fairly address either the
    concerns expressed in a letter signed by 51 Senators or VCDL's
    Petition for Rule Making (PRM)?

    -- The letter signed by the 51 Senators states that they support "an
    exception...to allow law-abiding citizens to transport and carry
    firearms consistent with state law where the National Park Service's
    sites and the National Wildlife Refuges are located."

    -- The Petition for Rule Making (PRM) submitted by VCDL requested
    DOI regulations be modified to "permit citizens to carry operational
    handguns for personal protection in National Parks, consistent with
    the laws of the state in which the park is located".

    Does DOI's proposed change do either of the above? NO!

    Instead, the DOI change is nothing more than a token effort to appease
    both a majority of the United States Senate and over a million gun
    owners while still retaining their "if you have a loaded firearm,
    you're a poacher" attitude.

    So, VCDL is asking you to do the following:

    Respond to the DOI's request for input to its proposed rule by
    politely urging them to assimilate state firearms laws for ALL law-
    abiding gun owners where the National Park Service's sites and the
    National Wildlife Refuges are located.

    To send in your comments to the DOI, click here:

    http://tinyurl.com/5juwn3

    Copy and paste the following text into the "General Comments" box and
    then "Next Step" at the bottom to continue.

    Suggested "General Comments" text:

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    The proposed rule falls far short of what Senator Crapo's letter to
    DOI on December 14th, 2007 requested. The letter, signed by 51
    Senators, asked that National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges
    assimilate the host state's gun laws.

    The rule also falls far short of the Virginia Citizens Defense
    League's Petition for Rule Making sent to DOI and dated January 19,
    2008. Like Senator Crapo's letter, the Petition, representing over
    one million gun owners, requested that the gun laws for the host state
    be assimilated.

    The proposed rule needs to assimilate state law in a similar manner as
    National Forests do for the lawful carry of weapons for self-defense.
    That would make the rules for such carriage of self-defense weapons in
    National Parks, National Wildlife Refuges and National Forests the
    same and consistent with the laws of the state surrounding the parks
    and refuges.

    Please change the wording of the rules as follows, which would make
    the regulation of carry commensurate with standards of the host state,
    while removing the nebulous and confusing wording about "similar
    lands." Existing poaching laws will serve to deter poaching in
    National Parks and Wildlife Refuges, just as they do on state land:

    "A person may possess, carry, and transport loaded, and operable
    firearms or other weapons within a national park area in the same
    manner, and to the same extent, that a person may lawfully possess,
    carry, and transport loaded and operable firearms or other weapons in
    the state in which the federal park, or that portion thereof, is
    located, provided that such possession, carrying and transporting
    otherwise complies with applicable federal and state law."

    And for National Wildlife Refuges:

    "A person may possess, carry, and transport loaded, and operable
    firearms or other weapons within a national wildlife refuge area in
    the same manner, and to the same extent, that a person may lawfully
    possess, carry, and transport loaded and operable firearms or other
    weapons in the state in which the federal wildlife refuge, or that
    portion thereof, is located, provided that such possession, carrying
    and transporting otherwise complies with applicable federal and state
    law."

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    (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
    dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
    Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

    VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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    Did it.

    TJ

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    Did it last night.

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    Done

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    tagged.

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    Wording is the key. Change the word "Firearms" to "Licensed Handguns" and it goes from a poaching possibility, to one where the only practical use for handgun is lawful self defense. I think they are afraid that we want to carry loaded rifles and shotguns. Make it clear that we are not and it should pass.

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    Done.

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    vermonter wrote:
    Wording is the key. Change the word "Firearms" to "Licensed Handguns"
    What is a licensed handgun?Makes no sense to add this.

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    wife and I did it.

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    Mike wrote:
    vermonter wrote:
    Wording is the key. Change the word "Firearms" to "Licensed Handguns"
    What is a licensed handgun?Makes no sense to add this.
    I'm wondering the same thing. None of my handguns are "licensed", nor do I need a license to carry. Besides, why shouldn't I be able to carry a rifle or shotgun for self defense, especially in a park, where there's a good chance of 4-legged baddies runnin around?

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    Got-er-done
    And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants"

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    done

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    Submitted...as suggested.
    “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire,
    a troublesome servant and a fearful master.” - George Washington

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    The number of comments is now over 4,000! An unscientific survey shows pro-freedom opinion beating the antis 10 to 1!

    A lot of those opinions look the same, derived from aVCDL Alert, but coming from people all over the United States.

    See [url=http://www.regulations.gov/search/search_results.jsp?No=0&sid=119C3C432E19&N e=2+8+11+8053+8054+8098+8074+8066+8084+8055+11&amp ;Ntt=FWS-R9-NSR-2008-0062&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode+matchall&Ns=P_FR Publish_Date|1&N=8099+8060&css=0&rpp=5 0


    [Copy and paste starting with "http" to "=50" .]

    I can't get the link to format properly. Sorry.

    Keep piling on!
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    Credit to the Bitch Girls Blog for the link to the number of public comments submitted so far. http://www.thebitchgirls.us/?p=8183

    Interesting comment to the blogger's post, one person said,"In all fairness, Bitter, each of those comments needs to be read and logged in. Its entirely possible there are hundreds of thousands (actually, as far as I know, the record is just shy of 600,000 comments received on a rule dealing with mercury a few years ago) of comments already submitted, but most are just backlogged up before they will be posted on the web.

    but your point remains the same. I tend to withhold my comments until the last day, just so my opposition doesn’t see what I’m going to say. For me, thats not such a concern here, but I do intend to submit substantial comments here and force DOI to respond on the record. - countertop




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    Submitted !

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    XD Owner wrote:
    The number of comments is now over 4,000! An unscientific survey shows pro-freedom opinion beating the antis 10 to 1!


    This is one reason why our liberties are sostrangled in some localities. When the opportunity is there to have our voices heard, only 4,000 pro-gun voices speak out so far. With in upwards of 90 million gun owners and countless millions of other pro-constitutional citizens out there, it is appaling to me.


    Peace through superior firepower

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    "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

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    Flintlock wrote:
    XD Owner wrote:
    The number of comments is now over 4,000! An unscientific survey shows pro-freedom opinion beating the antis 10 to 1!


    This is one reason why our liberties are sostrangled in some localities. When the opportunity is there to have our voices heard, only 4,000 pro-gun voices speak out so far. With in upwards of 90 million gun owners and countless millions of other pro-constitutional citizens out there, it is appaling to me.

    Kinda have to agree with you there Flint. NOT very impressive.

    TJ

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    UTOC and Flintlock - guess you are part of the "glass is half-empty" crowd.

    As of this morning, the number of comments is 6,670. The comment period ends June 30, 2008, so plenty of time to increase that number.

    Let's keep piling on. Ask folks on other pro-freedom websites to comment.

    Heck, comment again. You may have forgotten a salient point in your first comment.

    I'll keep checking this, especialy on July 1.

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    XD Owner wrote:
    UTOC and Flintlock - guess you are part of the "glass is half-empty" crowd.

    As of this morning, the number of comments is 6,670. The comment period ends June 30, 2008, so plenty of time to increase that number.

    Let's keep piling on. Ask folks on other pro-freedom websites to comment.

    Heck, comment again. You may have forgotten a salient point in your first comment.

    I'll keep checking this, especialy on July 1.
    I'm not trying to be negative, it's just thatthere are over 5,000 members on this board alone and only 6670 comments total... That seems drastically low to me.

    I have indeed asked others on at least three other forums to comment and I believe it has made a difference, albeit small.. I know there are other organizations out there trying to debunk this intiative and I was hoping we would speak with overwhelming forcebut that has yet to occurr. Hopefully, things will change...
    Peace through superior firepower

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    "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

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    If this ruling applies as worded in your letter, then Tennessee would still not be able to carry in the NP. As I understand it, the law states that puiblic parks, national forests and wild life refuges are off limits. But consider it done with wording changed.

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    For those wondering, just over 9,000 comments now. Still have until June 30 to comment on this proposal.

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