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    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum43/9483.html

    Newspaper write up and established rules for the walk in the thread.

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    Link doesn't work.

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    Sorry, working now. stupid space bar....

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    Thanks and it sounds like a good idea.

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    Here's the fixed link: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum43/9483.html

    I like the idea, but this treads that very thin, grey line of "organize an armed body of men" in the state constitution. Calling it an open-carry walk makes it pretty obvious that those on the walk are expected to OC.

    Maybe just do a Pro-Second-Amendment Walk and anyone that decides to carry, whether OC or CC is welcome....
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    just_a_car wrote:
    Here's the fixed link: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum43/9483.html

    I like the idea, but this treads that very thin, grey line of "organize an armed body of men" in the state constitution. Calling it an open-carry walk makes it pretty obvious that those on the walk are expected to OC.

    Maybe just do a Pro-Second-Amendment Walk and anyone that decides to carry, whether OC or CC is welcome....
    Just like lunchs, show up but OC is not tequired.

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    That's funny I was jokingly telling my wife it would be cool if OCDO hada float in the Daffodil Parade. Now I think that would be a good idea for next year. Instead of handing out flowers and candy we could hand out pamphlets. With the amount of enthusiasm I don't see a problem getting volunteers. Just a thought, I have no idea how to put this into motion.

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    I thought the "organize an armed body of men" had to do with creating an organized fighing unit with a chain of command, tactics, etc. As opposed to eating lunch. Unless you have us eat in cadence: bite, chew, swallow, wipe,bite, chew, swallow, wipe...
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    just_a_car wrote:
    Here's the fixed link: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum43/9483.html

    I like the idea, but this treads that very thin, grey line of "organize an armed body of men" in the state constitution. Calling it an open-carry walk makes it pretty obvious that those on the walk are expected to OC.

    Maybe just do a Pro-Second-Amendment Walk and anyone that decides to carry, whether OC or CC is welcome....
    While it doesn't PROTECT 'an organized, armed, body of men', where in the law is that PROHIBITED?
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    I could see something like that in Wa. being in violation of RCW 38.40.120, of course it is just my opinion and I could be way off. Hell hopefully I am way off.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
    I could see something like that in Wa. being in violation of RCW 38.40.120, of course it is just my opinion and I could be way off. Hell hopefully I am way off.
    Since its a small one, easier to post than to look up.

    RCW 38.40.120Authorized military organizations.
    No organized body other than the recognized militia organizations of this state, armed forces of the United States, students of educational institutions where military science is a prescribed part of the course of instruction or bona fide veterans organizations shall associate themselves together as a military company or organize or parade in public with firearms: PROVIDED, That nothing herein shall be construed to prevent authorized parades by the organized militia of another state or armed forces of foreign countries. Any person participating in any such unauthorized organization shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
    [1989 c 19 § 53; 1943 c 130 § 54; Rem. Supp. 1943 § 8603-54. Prior: 1909 c 249 § 294; 1903 c 135 § 1.]



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    sorry M1. I didn't look it up, I just posted the code number. I'll remember to post link or test in the future.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
    sorry M1. I didn't look it up, I just posted the code number. I'll remember to post link or test in the future.
    So the simple solution is to OC with unloaded firearms and hand out the literature. The public will not know the difference.

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    I don't think it would actually work, but you could argue that all able-bodiedcitizens capable of bearing arms constitute the militia of the United States and therefore MUST be recognized as an authorized military body.
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    I brought this up once before... i think...

    If armed body of men was meant to include any group of people that just so happen to be armed, then what about the world war 2, civil war, (i think we even have some vietnam), re-enactors in this state?

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    thebastidge wrote:
    I don't think it would actually work, but you could argue that all able-bodiedcitizens capable of bearing arms constitute the militia of the United States and therefore MUST be recognized as an authorized military body.
    The State constitution simply states that able bodied males between 18 and 45 shall be liable for military duty. I remember reading on here a post that mentioned able bodied males being part of the unorganized militia.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    thebastidge wrote:
    I don't think it would actually work, but you could argue that all able-bodiedcitizens capable of bearing arms constitute the militia of the United States and therefore MUST be recognized as an authorized military body.
    Wouldn't work, as all able-bodied males 17-45 of citizenship are considered part of the "unorganized militia" if not part of the "organized militia" which is the national guard, while the RCW specifically states "militia organizations of the state."
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    just_a_car wrote:
    thebastidge wrote:
    I don't think it would actually work, but you could argue that all able-bodiedcitizens capable of bearing arms constitute the militia of the United States and therefore MUST be recognized as an authorized military body.
    Wouldn't work, as all able-bodied males 17-45 of citizenship are considered part of the "unorganized militia" if not part of the "organized militia" which is the national guard, while the RCW specifically states "militia organizations of the state."
    In actuality the National Guard did not exist until 1908 so these Constitutional references do not refer to the Guard at all. Depending on when the RCW was written or amended, in may or may not.

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    Edit: The above is cited from http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt which appears to have been ratified June 3rd, 1916. The first amendment to our state constitution was approved in November of 1894, well before the National Guard were established.
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    I was one of the guys that organized the walk.

    Here's more info, plus pics:

    http://patriotsdaywalk.blogspot.com/

    Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about laws that supposedly prohibit "organized armed body of men." Are we fearful of the government? Are we slaves to the government? If so, we might as well hang it up now, since it means we've already lost.

    Sometimes we have to say "screw it" and stick up for our God-given rights.



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    You folks make me proud to say that I was born and raised in Ohio. Great job!

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