Dave The Welder wrote:
This is why I carry a voice recorder.
I don't think a voice recorder would have helped in this situation. They agreed I was improperly told to conceal my weapon. No surprise there. What really grinds my gears is they couldn't figure out if Officer O'Neill didn't follow the training directive... this is after Lt. Wilson described to me what he considered an ideal OC stop, which this was far from it.
The question is how far do I want to push this, and to what end? Right now I have a decent relationship with OPD. They don't bother me and I don't sue them :P (joking here)
Seriously, they seem to have mellowed out a lot on the subject of OC. I think any problem so much isn't the rank and file (not after training anyhow) but rather the folks pulling the strings.
There are cops, and then there are the city lawyers and admin, and I'll bet dollars to donuts they went over this very carefully in an attempt to make sure they wouldn't open themselves up to any more liablity, and hoping I would take what was offered to me and leave it alone.
The fact of the matter is I could launch a lawsuit against the city of Olympia, and also file several civil suits, and probably win them all or get them settled out of court. I don't want to, which is why I have been taking this as mellow as possible.
If the high muckity mucks in the city and OPD want to play games and whitewash stuff, or not even apologize for what they do admit was wrongdoing, then I have to ask myself if it is worth my time to deal with trying to squeeze some more stuff from them regarding this complaint, or just keep going about my business. They have been put on notice by Randy Loun, and that should be enough to make any police department try and keep out of his way. I'm going to keep going about my business and OC as I see fit. If I get detained, disarmed and hassled again, well I'm willing to take this to the next level.
Terry was violated, various rights were violated, all in the name of not knowing how to deal with a guy reading a book and OCing, or just walking down the street drinking tea. I think they know how to deal with OC. This is the limit though, and that has been made plain to them.
I for one just wish to get along with OPD. Nearly every officer I have met have proven to be decent folk. I can't say much about Beckwell, I've never spoken to him, just had his gun drawn behind me... I spoke with O'Neill a couple of months after the stop and we had a decent conversation, bs'd and shook hands. I'll chalk this whole mess up to lack of training, which is not the fault of the individual officers.
However there has been a directive issued, and every officer has been formally trained. There should be no more excuses.
As far as the shortcomings of this response go, I think it is important to remember this comes from people way up on the totem pole, not the rank and file. Higher ups are often more politician than cops unfortunately...
At any rate I do believe there will be no more problems with lawful OC in Oly.
EDIT: Clarified statements to make sense