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    I normally don't talk about the fact that I carry a CCW, but the topic came up at work. I was working at the office with 7 other people, when one of the guys asked when I stopped riding the bus to work. I told him that I never did. He asked me why he saw me walking to work every day. I told him that I park in another companies parking lot. He wanted to know why, and wouldn't accept "It's a long story" as an answer. So I said that when I'm not at work I carry a handgun, and it's against our company policy to leave it locked in my car. Since my newly purchased POS pickup doesn't lock, I have been leaving it at home, so I park in the company lot.

    This sparked a great discussion. One of the people on the team mentioned that he didn't see why anyone would need a gun. He admittedly declared that there were some dangerous areas in Kirkland and Seattle that he goes to, but said that if you mind your own business, you'll never need a gun. I told him that I disagreed and that spending time in the same areas and trying to mind my own business, I had been forced into drawing a weapon to prevent serious injury or death more than once. He didn't seem to phased by my arguement, so I told him that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away, and while I would rather that they deal with the situation, I like knowing that I can take responsibility for my own safety if necessary. He gave me kind of an "agree to disagree" look, acknowledging my arguement as legitimate but still believing that he was correct.

    The positive side of this is that everyone else on the team thought that my carrying a gun (and reasons for carrying) were very reasonable. Two of the people on the team suggested that they would like to go shooting sometime, and one of the girls said that she was trying to convince her father to give her a pistol.

    Overall, the conversation was much more positive than I had expected. Almost everyone on the team seemed very receptive to the idea of legally carrying firearms.

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    Several months ago at my work I was sitting at the lunch table with 6 other people. We never talk guns and none of them knew I was a gun person. Somehow the topic came up and it turns out that 4 of the 6 plus me have a CPL. I was shocked to say the least. You just never know.

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    I contacted corporate (Best Buy) HR since it can be a sensitive topic, they replied that when I'm not on the clock, I'm a customer, and afforded the same liberties as everyone else. Corporate firearms policy is to go by the law of the state. I talked to the GM, she echoed, and said I can carry in the store, as long as it's within the law.

    I come in open carrying a few days later, and this girl that I've had problems with in the past (stuck up, opinionated, 'sensitive', etc) sees me, starts yelling at me from my strong side, pointing (almost touching) my firearm, practically circling it, like a vulture waiting for something to die... 'WHATS THIS? NO, UH UH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, NO, I'M TELLING, YOU CAN'T DO THIS HERE'.. etc.

    HR already approved, GM already approved, Manager on duty says it's fine, LP says it's fine, it's pretty much a non-issue...... Or so I thought...

    I get pulled into the GM's office about a week later, saying that I 'scared' someone, and that even though it's company policy that as a customer I'm OK, it'd be better that I didn't wear it when I was in the store, because people 'know me'..... I got lectured on how my 'rights' don't supercede the collective wellbeing of the store, and I could bring morale down or have people think I'm a psycho and be uncomfortable to work with. She was saying how she has to look out for all the employees, and she can't tell me not to do it, but that she didn't want a negative work environment. Implying, of course, that if I carried, I'd be fired.
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    Get it in writing from Corporate, then OC and let them fire you. Easy way to own stock in the company.

    Be certain to record the conversation when they terminate you, 2 party notice by the way as it will be a private conversation.

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    yeah, only last weekend i was at a bar with a bunch of co-workers (including the owner), and we were all just b/s'ing and somehow the topic of carrying came up. the crazy part was that the owner of our business told me..."i would be totally fine if you said that you were CC'ing at work, as long as you told me you were going to to do". i was SHOCKED...He later went on to say he would never let just anyone in our workplace and that i was one of a hand full of people he'd actually be ok with doing that...but man....now i can carry everywhere....AWESOME!

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    I don’t think my immediate supervisor would mind if I were to OC to work, but everyone above (and below) him would have a level 5official conniption. Besides that, I think there’s something in my core doc that allows them to rip off my testicles with vice-grips if I do, and I don’t want to risk that.

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    I contacted corporate (Best Buy) HR since it can be a sensitive topic, they replied that when I'm not on the clock, I'm a customer, and afforded the same liberties as everyone else. Corporate firearms policy is to go by the law of the state. I talked to the GM, she echoed, and said I can carry in the store, as long as it's within the law.
    Wait, You work at Best Buy and their corporate policy is to allow customers to carry within the parameters of the law? I need to get a copy of that as I have been kicked out of two different Best Buy stores for carrying.

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    As I have stated before my work is very anti-gun but I haven’t given up. The corporate policy change is still in the works. I’ve gotten them to see my point and even some security flaws that need to be fixed.
    I have found that there are many others that are not anti-gun and willing to listen to what I have to say. I've passed out quite a few pamphlets to folks and had open discussions on the subject. I’ve found over 15 folks with CPL’s, of those 15 one guy that shoots competitively for H&K, one woman who is a NRA handgun instructor that teaches primarily women.


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    I contacted corporate (Best Buy) HR since it can be a sensitive topic, they replied that when I'm not on the clock, I'm a customer, and afforded the same liberties as everyone else. Corporate firearms policy is to go by the law of the state. I talked to the GM, she echoed, and said I can carry in the store, as long as it's within the law.

    I come in open carrying a few days later, and this girl that I've had problems with in the past (stuck up, opinionated, 'sensitive', etc) sees me, starts yelling at me from my strong side, pointing (almost touching) my firearm, practically circling it, like a vulture waiting for something to die... 'WHATS THIS? NO, UH UH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, NO, I'M TELLING, YOU CAN'T DO THIS HERE'.. etc.

    HR already approved, GM already approved, Manager on duty says it's fine, LP says it's fine, it's pretty much a non-issue...... Or so I thought...

    I get pulled into the GM's office about a week later, saying that I 'scared' someone, and that even though it's company policy that as a customer I'm OK, it'd be better that I didn't wear it when I was in the store, because people 'know me'..... I got lectured on how my 'rights' don't supercede the collective wellbeing of the store, and I could bring morale down or have people think I'm a psycho and be uncomfortable to work with. She was saying how she has to look out for all the employees, and she can't tell me not to do it, but that she didn't want a negative work environment. Implying, of course, that if I carried, I'd be fired.
    Contact the GM's boss and tell him or her what the GMsaid. They can't have it both ways. Threatening to fire you is illegal in this state for doing something withinstore policy and the law.

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    I contacted corporate (Best Buy) HR since it can be a sensitive topic, they replied that when I'm not on the clock, I'm a customer, and afforded the same liberties as everyone else. Corporate firearms policy is to go by the law of the state. I talked to the GM, she echoed, and said I can carry in the store, as long as it's within the law.

    I come in open carrying a few days later, and this girl that I've had problems with in the past (stuck up, opinionated, 'sensitive', etc) sees me, starts yelling at me from my strong side, pointing (almost touching) my firearm, practically circling it, like a vulture waiting for something to die... 'WHATS THIS? NO, UH UH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, NO, I'M TELLING, YOU CAN'T DO THIS HERE'.. etc.

    HR already approved, GM already approved, Manager on duty says it's fine, LP says it's fine, it's pretty much a non-issue...... Or so I thought...

    I get pulled into the GM's office about a week later, saying that I 'scared' someone, and that even though it's company policy that as a customer I'm OK, it'd be better that I didn't wear it when I was in the store, because people 'know me'..... I got lectured on how my 'rights' don't supercede the collective wellbeing of the store, and I could bring morale down or have people think I'm a psycho and be uncomfortable to work with. She was saying how she has to look out for all the employees, and she can't tell me not to do it, but that she didn't want a negative work environment. Implying, of course, that if I carried, I'd be fired.
    Contact the GM's boss and tell him or her what the GMsaid. They can't have it both ways. Threatening to fire you is illegal in this state for doing something withinstore policy and the law.
    Or make the point thatSHE is the bigger problem to everyone else's safety and morale, yelling at customers about excercising thier rights. I'm sure there's something in the policy about that.

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    As I've stated before, I try to stay low-key at work. I think it's more professional to seperate my activism and political views from my work, and it avoids problems.

    That said, if someone presses me, I'll discuss carrying, trying to stick to facts, and avoiding my own habits. If someone directly asks me if I own or carry, I will say maybe or yes depending on who's asking. But I usually will eavesdrop rather than jumping into a conversation, in order to avoid trouble. I don't want my poilitics to interfere with otherwise good working relationships that I need to do my job, and I want to stay off of HR's radar.

    The basic idea is to build up an image of a competent and reliable engineer first, since that's the impression I want to give. If someone later becomes a closer friend of course I'll open up more, but I don't want someone's first impression to be "there goes that gun activist". I think it's more productive to put forth the idea that people who believe in self-defense are normal people, who are all around us and remain discrete. Challenge their stereotypes and all.

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    TechnoWeenie wrote:
    I come in open carrying a few days later, and this girl that I've had problems with in the past (stuck up, opinionated, 'sensitive', etc) sees me, starts yelling at me from my strong side, pointing (almost touching) my firearm, practically circling it, like a vulture waiting for something to die... 'WHATS THIS? NO, UH UH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, NO, I'M TELLING, YOU CAN'T DO THIS HERE'.. etc.
    I'd point out that if she was yelling or using a loud tone that others could hear then she in fact was causing the issue. Kind of like yelling fire in a crowed room. Its called "Endangering Behavior."

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    Contact the GM's boss and tell him or her what the GMsaid. They can't have it both ways. Threatening to fire you is illegal in this state for doing something withinstore policy and the law.
    Actually they can have it both ways. In Washington State you work at the will of the employer. Witha fewexceptionsdefined by law you can be fired for no reason at all. So be careful here. You have to make sure of a written policy and be fired in breach of that policy. If you are fired for any other reason no matter how lame you could be in a tough position. If there is no written policy, employees handbook etc. then you have littleor no protection.

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    irfner wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Contact the GM's boss and tell him or her what the GMsaid. They can't have it both ways. Threatening to fire you is illegal in this state for doing something withinstore policy and the law.
    Actually they can have it both ways. In Washington State you work at the will of the employer. Witha fewexceptionsdefined by law you can be fired for no reason at all. So be careful here. You have to make sure of a written policy and be fired in breach of that policy. If you are fired for any other reason no matter how lame you could be in a tough position. If there is no written policy, employees handbook etc. then you have littleor no protection.
    Local managers can not over ride corporate policy. FYI, in Washington there is no fault firing. "They can say you are fired! Get out!" They don't have to tell yopu why even.

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    "Local managers can not over ride corporate policy."

    Unless they do and get away with it. {shrug}

    Corporate policy is not the law. They can't be prosecuted or anything, they can only be reprimanded and/or fired. And corporate may not be willing to do either of those things over one person's complaint. They (corporations) arenot required to do anything, because they don't need your business ("you" specifically as an individual.)

    Some people on this board make a hell of a lot of self-assured, positive, assertive statements that they can't possibly back up.
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    thebastidge wrote:
    "Local managers can not over ride corporate policy."

    Unless they do and get away with it. {shrug}

    Corporate policy is not the law. They can't be prosecuted or anything, they can only be reprimanded and/or fired. And corporate may not be willing to do either of those things over one person's complaint. They (corporations) arenot required to do anything, because they don't need your business ("you" specifically as an individual.)

    Some people on this board make a hell of a lot of self-assured, positive, assertive statements that they can't possibly back up.
    The lawsuit for discrimination will cost them way more than the manger could make in 5 years. If it is corp. policy then it applies to everyone or you are discriminating and that is illegal and may also violate employment laws as well.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Local managers can not over ride corporate policy. FYI, in Washington there is no fault firing. "They can say you are fired! Get out!" They don't have to tell yopu why even.
    Actually, I was fired once because I complained to the district manager about the manager. The manager found out about it and I was fired. The guy was a jerk who liked to leave for "happy hour" and come back drunk, harrassing customers.

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    I contacted corporate (Best Buy) HR since it can be a sensitive topic, they replied that when I'm not on the clock, I'm a customer, and afforded the same liberties as everyone else. Corporate firearms policy is to go by the law of the state. I talked to the GM, she echoed, and said I can carry in the store, as long as it's within the law.
    Wait, You work at Best Buy and their corporate policy is to allow customers to carry within the parameters of the law? I need to get a copy of that as I have been kicked out of two different Best Buy stores for carrying.
    Come on down to Virgina. I have never had a problem in any of the stores in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area.

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    ICC at work, IWB or ankle and keep to myself about it. A couple months ago I walk up to the front of the office to get a package that just arrived, I bend over to open it and flip up my pocket knife.

    A very concerned "Oh my, do you always carry that?!", came from the secretary.

    Thinking oh ****, my gun became exposedwhenI bent over.I turn around and she's looking at my pocket knife. I look at her and then back at my knife with a very confused look on my face, ''ummm.. only when I need to open boxes...?".

    "Oh, well it looks dangerous."

    "Thats why I carry it." Smile and walk away, thinking to myself, I wonder how she'd feel about the loaded 9mm under my shirt.

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    lol drewgunner

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    DrewGunner wrote:
    ICC at work, IWB or ankle and keep to myself about it. A couple months ago I walk up to the front of the office to get a package that just arrived, I bend over to open it and flip up my pocket knife.

    A very concerned "Oh my, do you always carry that?!", came from the secretary.

    Thinking oh ****, my gun became exposedwhenI bent over.I turn around and she's looking at my pocket knife. I look at her and then back at my knife with a very confused look on my face, ''ummm.. only when I need to open boxes...?".

    "Oh, well it looks dangerous."

    "Thats why I carry it." Smile and walk away, thinking to myself, I wonder how she'd feel about the loaded 9mm under my shirt.
    I don't considera pocket knife to be a weapon. I was a boyscout and I've always used one as a tool. That being said, I have always thought that one of the only benefits of leaving the gun in the car is that I can respond whittily to someone about my pocket knife.

    I have a kershaw blur, so it's kind of a combat style folder, I guess. I mean more so than a swiss army knife. At least to the sheep. So whenever I use my knife at work, I wonder if other people are seeing this as a dangerous weapon. If I were ever confronted about the knife, I would be able to argue that it is not a weapon, the 9mm in my car is a weapon. The knife is a cutting tool like scissors, and while either could be used as a weapon, I would say that the fact that I normally carry a pistol is proof enough that this is not it's purpose.



    Off topic... I was watching "take home chef" with my fiancee, and the premise of the show is that professional chef goes home with some girl at the store and helps her to create a gormet meal for her husband as a surprise. Anyway, she's talking about how her husband is going to be so surprised, and he said something that really caught my attention: "He doesn't carry a knife, does he?" I was really upset by the comment. I don't think I need to go into why.

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    I have a kershaw blur, so it's kind of a combat style folder, I guess. I mean more so than a swiss army knife. At least to the sheep.
    I used to carry a Blur. Great knife! My CRKT m16 doesn't have a the spring assist but it make a pretty good "Ka-Chink" when you flip it open. I think that's what frightens the sheep and the size of it..
    Off topic... I was watching "take home chef" with my fiancee, and the premise of the show is that professional chef goes home with some girl at the store and helps her to create a gormet meal for her husband as a surprise. Anyway, she's talking about how her husband is going to be so surprised, and he said something that really caught my attention: "He doesn't carry a knife, does he?" I was really upset by the comment. I don't think I need to go into why.
    Would have been great if she said "A knife? No, but he does carry a .45". :what::celebrate

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    My workplace not only doesn't mind if I leave a weapon in the car they, on occasion, let me use their equipment to make parts for whatever I'm building. I did half of my 50cal there as well as a suppressor (after receiving an approved form one). One of the perks of being a machinist.



    I'll be honest, if I worked for someone who prohibited them in my car I'd carry it anyway. Hidden away of course. If you never need it then they'll never know but if you DO need it then you can stay alive and find another job.



    I guess some of these idiots who sit in the fat office chairs and dream up these things probably think that this would stop a disgruntled worked from bringing a gun to work.:quirky

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoWeenie View Post
    . Implying, of course, that if I carried, I'd be fired.
    Had you been in KY you would be protected by law on this matter. They literally legally could not fire you for wearing your gun in while a customer. BUT this is WA and I am not sure if we have similar law.

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    Wow... 3 year old Thread! Techno doesn't work at that BB any more either..
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