Shoulder holster?

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tarzan1888 wrote:

ODA 226 wrote:

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I advise against any shoulder rig unless you are driving and doing PSD for a few (good) reasons:

1. Longer draw time.

2. The sweeping action required to draw will force you to cover parts of your body with the muzzlealong with other people you may not intend to engage. This can cause "misunderstandings, along with a self-inflicted wound if you fire prematurely.

3. All a BG has to do to prevent you from drawing is to rush you and crowd your body with his. Try drawing when your arm is trapped between your body and his. It ain't gonna happen.

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1. Maybe, but no slowwer than any cross-draw, and better than a fannypack.

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2. Not true. As with any cross draw, you cover none of your body.

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It is true. Put on your shoulder rig and draw your weapon. You'll find that you cover your left arm with the weapon as you draw.

Have you ever worn a shoulder rig?

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Yep. As a matter of fact, I own two. An Alessi Undercover for my Glock 19 and a Bianchi for my 1911.

3. Nope. Have you ever played football?

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Yep. I played football my entire juvenile life. I played varsity football for a AAA team in HS and played for the state championship in the Pop Warner League.

All it takes is a straight arm, with your left arm.

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Good luck when it really happens!

Tarzan

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Nothing personal. Just giving some advice based on 3 years of PSD, 5 years of law enforcement and 19 years of US Army Special Forces experience. Add on seven years of experience in active war zones. Take that advice if you want to, can it if you don't.

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Oda, I'm talking about a vertical shoulder holster and NOT a horizontal. Put on a vertical shoulder holster. When you go to draw, put your weak hand (being a lefty that's my right hand) behind the holster on top of the barrel/slide, then tuck your elbow in tight against your body. Your weak hand stabilizes the rig for drawing and your arm tucked in tight against your body is not exposed to the gun. Horizontal rigs are something that I have no use for.

Cross draw rigs of all sorts are the fastest way to get a gun in action IF you are moving away from the BG's gun. Try it with an airsoft gun sometime. If you stand in place to return fire, a hip rig is faster but your chances of being shot are somewhere around 90%. If, when the BG pulls a gun or knife on you, you should be immedietly moving out of the line of fire/movement at right angles to the threat. With these conditions, a cross draw rig is faster. And it's not just me saying this---I found an article from 2006 in Concealed Carry by Gabe Suarez of Suarez International that had found the same thing.

And I have nothing personally against you either. I trained for some time in a type of Kung Fu called 'San Soo'. It's much the same as what you learned in Special Forces as master Jimmy Woo originally taught the U.S. Armed Forces these techniques back in the 50's. Many LEO's in So.California train in this art, and some of us got together with the LEO's at the studio and started running 'what if' drills using paintball guns (no, not inside the studio!). That's how we figured out, some 20 years ago, that cross draws work really well if you're moving to get out of the BG's line of fire.

For what it's worth.....

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LV,

Like I said before, my opinion is based on real world experience and I choose to utilize that carry method only under SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.

HOWEVER, your mode of carry should be tailored to YOUR personal needs. If a shoulder rig is more practical for your personal situation, then by all means carry that way.

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ODA 226.....Nothing personal. Just giving some advice based on 3 years of PSD, 5 years of law enforcement and 19 years of US Army Special Forces experience. Add on seven years of experience in active war zones. Take that advice if you want to, can it if you don't. [/quote]

Thank you for your service.


One time years ago I was prospecting in Texas.

My boss told me that he had worked that area years ago and if there was any thing there to find, he would have found it.

He had a lot of experience, but he was wrong.



The key with ANY mode of carry is situation awareness.

Can anyone be sure that they and their gun are securd...No.

If we are aware as possible and practice, we will improve our odds.

I wear suits to work, I play and I do work out in the mountains, forests and deserts. I do a lot of driving in my work.

Carry as you like. I don't have all the answers, but neither do you.

Tarzan

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tarzan1888 wrote: Carry as you like. I don't have all the answers, but neither do you.


I would never claim to have all of the answers and don't forget, "Situation always dictates!"
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ODA 226 wrote:

tarzan1888 wrote: Carry as you like. I don't have all the answers, but neither do you.


I would never claim to have all of the answers and don't forget, "Situation always dictates!"

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See I knew we could agree on something.

Some times we get off on tangents....ALL of us. (ThatALL is directed at me personally.)



I was just looking at the original post question. :what:

Shoulder Holster....Workable...Comfortable?........

Yes it is, but is it the answer to a situations...NO.

I know I got off that original question, and I think I was not alone.



Tarzan
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tarzan1888 wrote:

See I knew we could agree on something.

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ODA 226 wrote:

tarzan1888 wrote:

 

See I knew we could agree on something.  

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:lol:

Tarzan

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ODA 226 wrote:

tarzan1888 wrote: Carry as you like. I don't have all the answers, but neither do you.


I would never claim to have all of the answers and don't forget, "Situation always dictates!"

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I can't disagree with either of those statements. Count me in as a third member in agreement!
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I carried my 6" barrel stainless S&W .357 Mag (686?) in an Uncle Mike's shoulder rig for a number of years on a family ranch. I really like the way it holds position so you don't have to fumble around for the grip. I had an inexpensive leather rig for about a year and preferred Uncle.

The only issue I ever had was that when I'd do something too physical, the belt snap on the holster side would release. Normal walking or riding was fine, but when climbing onto a backhoe, hauling logs, or crawling through the brush looking for that wounded pig, my leg would contact the lower end of the very long holster and push it up to the point of release.

Positioning the holster-side belt loop a little further back would solve the problem while working but that changed the whole angle of the carry. I finally got in the habit of moving the loop forward or back depending on what I was doing at the time.

Overall, very happy with it.

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LOL @ your pics UTOC-45-44.
You are a happy guy I can see. :celebrate

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If you take any shooting courses or qualifications some organizations will not allow you use any type of cross-draw holster.

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Last April I picked up a "G-Code" "2-in-one" paddle/shoulder rig combo. The holster can be screwed onto a paddle or can be screwed onto a sholder rig in one of four positions. I was not enamored of the shoulder rig as it is made of 1 1/2 inch wide leather cross straps and when I bought it i found it stiff and uncomfortable.

Then a couple weeks ago another cabbie got murdered about four blocks from where I live and the circumstances indicate to me that the killer lives in the immediate vicinity (and as of this writing he is still at large). I determined that I needed to arm myself while I am working at least until the killer is caught. Belt options were too damn slow so I dug out the shoulder rig, adjusted it to fit and experimented until I found a cant to the pistol that I could do a fast left-hand draw while pretending to raise my hands or usiing my right to fend off an attacker. I practiced this with an empty weapon until I had it down pat.

The rig was tight as hell for a few days but has loosened up considerably, so much so that I had to take it in last night so as to keep the weapon where my left hand could find it. Under a jacket it is utterly invisible so it doesn't spook families or gun-squeamish types. The weapon is a PPK/s and I keep the safety on incase a BG snatches it, I'll have a sec or two to beat the s$%t outta him while he's trying to figure it out (for a left-hand draw I push the safety off with my left index finger - it is incredibly easy with just a bit of practice).

The great thing is that when I am coming to a destination and feel a bit uncomfortable, I can get my left hand on the piece and hae it ready and, if I have an honest customer he will never suspect that my left hand is not digging out change but rather has hold of a firearm.

For all of that, however, I still follow my rule: if it looks like trouble, I dont let it into the cab. Sayonara, baby. Still, with a killer on the loose that holster and its contents are VERY reassuring companions, indeed.

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I have the Galco Miami Classic II, and it is extremely comfortable.
I wear it when I will be doing a lot of driving for the most part.

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I have the Galco Miami Classic, Iuse with my 1911. I love it and have no need for tie-downs. I dare say most do not use tie-downs with this rig.

I have an ACE CASE for my GLOCK, it is extreamly comfy, and inexpensive.



I love the shoulder rigs, problem with a lot of gun ranges is that they do not allow them ... sad to say. They will be the first to peach shoot, shoot offten, and you will be prepared for real life. But if in real like I wear a shoulder rig... how do I practice....?

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UTOC-45-44 wrote:

Rogue9er wrote:

UTOC-45-44 wrote:

Rogue9er wrote:

For myself, I'm considering open carry with a shoulder holster, as it seems the most out of the way of moving parts, and I definitely prefer cross-draw. Anyone have any comments, experiences or reasons why not?

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I just got a shoulder holster. Gould & Goodrich, seems to new, for only $45. I love it I carry it everyday. You will get more attention when you carry a shoulder rig vs. just on your hip.

I usually carry my S&W 4006 .40 in the rig and a Kimber in Serpa holster on the hip, both at the same time. This way I am OCing 360 degrees and there won't be ANY confusion that I am OCing.

I like the shoulder rig due the fact when I am out driving it would be easier to reach for the firearm if need + if pulled over the officer would be able to see it too.

TJ

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Damn, 2 at once? I like the idea, but that does begin to cross into the deranged-looking-zone. I don't mind attention, but that's seriously heavy gear.

Nice looking shoulder, tarz. I don't know what shape I would get mine in. My first pistol will probably be a Beretta 92F.

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"deranged-looking-zone" ???

NAAH, "Paranoid":lol:. Isn't that what the Anti's call me/us ? Oh, I'm sorry. "Paranoid" with one gun. I don't know what they call it when I have two guns.

I always wanted to say what Doc Holliday said in Tombstone-" I have one for both of ya" when talked to the feller just as the town sheriff had been gunned down by colonel bill when he was told that he was to drunk:lol::celebrate.

Can never carry too much ammo nor to many guns.

TJ

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I normally wear a cowboy hat, boots and a pair of sixguns, one strong side and the other crossdraw...I don't know if that falls into "deranged looking"

You can never have to many guns. The fastest reload is pulling your second pistol.:celebrate

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Has anyone with a sholder rig been asked "are you a cop"?
Seams like a good way to get away from those questions at least.

I still can't find any info on rights / procedures pertaining to disarming with a bra holster.
Do they need to bring in a female cop, can they require it be done out in the open,
who gets to reach in and remove it, etc.

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SlackwareRobert wrote:

Has anyone with a sholder rig been asked "are you a cop"?
Seams like a good way to get away from those questions at least.

I still can't find any info on rights / procedures pertaining to disarming with a bra holster.
Do they need to bring in a female cop, can they require it be done out in the open,
who gets to reach in and remove it, etc.

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Get your mind outta the gutter!

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What gutter, when single in Vegas there were not many bras around the casinos. :shock:
But as a maried southener I now wonder about it. Wife isn't up to my level of messing
with the establishment, but this might be one spot we can have fun with them.
They do make the holsters, so something must have happened somewhere by now.

Besides you never know when I might have to travel to southern california.
Would leaving your shirt off be OC? Would a BG grabbing for the gun be a sex crime?

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I had an uncle mikes shoulder rig and I had the tie downs with it. Does anyone have a problem with your shirt riding up and becoming bunched up around your neck? It seemed like I was pulling my shirt back down every fifteen minutes.