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    So did anyone watch this ? I was flipping around and landed on this show on E tv. The 15 Worst Mass Shootings. I originally thought, what is this crap! After watching it I found myself engaged in it somewhat. Even though they had the loud mouths on there like Hlemke and McCarthy. They also had the Security Guard from the New Life Church in CO. as well as the lady from the Luby's cafateria who left her handgun in the car due to a no gun sign. They pointed out just how helpless everyone was in all of these shootings.Theymentioned that Citizens actually helped stop some of these shootings. Like the Texas Tower shooting.

    Now I about gagged every time they had loud mouth Helmke on but they did have one interesting sound bite he made. It was after the New life Church shooting in CO. Where the lady security guard shot the gunman as he came down the front hall. He said it shows what an armed trained person on the scene can do in one of these situations. He did not say police. Mistake on his part????????

    The other overall thing pointed out was teh amount of time it took for police to arrive on scene at all of these situations. Most were after they were all over or just as the person was choking on a gun barrel after doing the dastertly deeds.

    The thing I got out of this was not so much "Anti Gun" it is by the way,but I picked up more of;You are on your own, be advised, the police were too late in everyone of these situations.





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    hogleg wrote:
    [Snip]...They also had the Security Guard from the New Life Church in CO. as well as the lady from the Luby's cafateria who left her handgun in the car due to a no gun sign.
    This lady had a concealed handgun permit and wasn't a security guard (just wanted to clarify, not flame). The media wanted to imply that she was a trained security guard. Granted, she was a former LEO (fired for administrative things, I think using bad language or something).

    I missed the show, but I will be looking for it though. I can't find anything other than 4 independent shootings using "Going Postal" or "15 Worst Mass Shootings". I'll keep my eyes open though.


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    Yeah They said she was former police working security for the Church. But if it was not for her being armed it would have been much worse. They credit her having a gun there for stopping it. Even though there were anti gun undertones through out this piece, it was pretty much your on your own when bad guys want to do bad things.It will take shooting them to end it.

    I like the fact that they talked with the Luby's cafateria lady and she explained how she was prompted to leave her gun in the car due to no guns allowed. Her parents were both killed in the shooting. Who knows what would have happened if she disobeyed the law.

    I actually expected it to be much worse as far as bashing gun owners. Not too bad considering the norm.

    I tried looking onE tv schedule to find a followup airring. There were quite a few anchors off of the FOX NEWS network hosting it. Megan Kelly I think was her name and one other that is on Fox alot. So it might actually be a fox program.

    It was on 7-9 CDT on E TV Tuesday May 13th

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    The one thing that got my attention was the explanation for how the incidents went down and how many very unsuspecting folks became victims from behind or out of nowhere. Makes you very aware of your surroundingsand whywe CC.

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    I try to be aware but have to work on it more: Too many times I just don't scan the area as I should, especially at the gas station whileI am filling up the tank...I'm too focused on that instead.

    BTW, the "Luby's Lady" was Suzanna Gratia (then), now Suzanna Gratia-Hupp. She became a TX legislator and pushed for pro-gun legislation such as the TX CHL.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

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    hogleg wrote:
    The one thing that got my attention was the explanation for how the incidents went down and how many very unsuspecting folks became victims from behind or out of nowhere. Makes you very aware of your surroundingsand whywe CC.
    WHO CC ???

    TJ

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    Well, we are all not lucky enough to live in an area that is friendly to a .45 on the hip. WishI did.

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    The courageous, and beautiful, heroine of the New Life Church incident is Jeanne Assam. Definately a lady to remember.
    "You can teach 'em, but you cant learn 'em."

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    Unless carrying for target practice, isn't a person guarding their own security?

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    hogleg wrote:
    Well, we are all not lucky enough to live in an area that is friendly to a .45 on the hip. WishI did.
    Amen Bother. Amen.

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    DopaVash wrote:
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    Well, we are all not lucky enough to live in an area that is friendly to a .45 on the hip. WishI did.
    Amen Bother. Amen.
    :celebrateGot a Kimber (.45) on the hip in a Serpa and a S&W 4006 (.40) in a Gould & Goodrich..................I OC BOTH:celebrate. God I Love Utah.



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    I've very seriously considered going to schoo in Utah... I bet you can guess why...

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    DopaVash wrote:
    I've very seriously considered going to schoo in Utah... I bet you can guess why...

    Yeah I think I do. It's one of the VERY few things that keep me from going to Texas.

    Come here and enjoy. We have OC Meets all the time and we average about 40 people:celebrate.

    BTW, you are not considering coming here...you WILL come here.

    We welcome ALL souls of deprived freedom:shock:....



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    Once again, DopaVash , we welcome you and your OCing here:celebrate. Looks like we are more Texan up here than Texas.

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    The senator looks like a cardboard cutout.

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    Pointman wrote:
    The senator looks like a cardboard cutout.
    LOL, I was just thinking that too!
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    Pointman wrote:
    The senator looks like a cardboard cutout.
    Naw. UTOC-45-44's personality just makes politicians seem lacking in certain dimensionsby comparison.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    The show is titled, Going Postal: 15 Most Shocking Acts of Violence.

    It just happened to be all about shootings. Go figure.
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    And hey, I'm a postal worker... I should be offended...

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    This thread clearly has fallen way off track.

    Let's get back to the original topic. Maybe you can create another thread to discuss other areas of interest.

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    I'd say that mass shootings are probably the best argument for carrying guns for self-defense, and for reducing crime. For individual confrontations, i.e. walking down a dark alley and getting assaulted, the argument can be made that since most people don't carry guns, criminals won't be deterred and the crimes will still happen, with only the occasional citizen having a gun and then being able to use it in defense. In general, it can argued that carrying a gun for self-defense for those situations is wishful thinking.

    However, in a mass shooting, there are many people, increasing the likelihood that one or more people are carrying guns. Someone should be able to get a few shots into the BG, and even if one or two people are killed by the BG before a GG can act, many more deaths will have been prevented. So... it takes a very determined anti to play the "guns are evil" card in regard to mass shootings.

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    To carry a gun makes it equal between you and the guy who can crush you based on size alone.... or a guy with a knife, axe handle, or baseball bat.

    Several people armed could possibly shorten the time an active or massshooter has to pop people at a mall or school.

    The sad part is that the mass shooter may cause people to believe that guns are bad as too many bad people are participating in mass shootings.

    What the anti peopleforget about is that some bad guys use other weapons as described above. So a world without guns means we have to go back to throwing rocks and using clubs. And some daythose would be banned too.



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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    And hey, I'm a postal worker... I should be offended...
    Yeah, me too, retired vehicle mechanic ,but I'm not. I kind of look at it like a gunslingers rep--- Don't mess with us--- if you want to really confuse people, have it related to you like I used to--- Postal worker, Boyscout leader, and a gun nut all in one! used to get a lot of jokes over that.

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    Where'd the pictures of TJ and SgtJensen go?

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    Pointman wrote:
    Where'd the pictures of TJ and SgtJensen go? My wife wasn't done drooling.
    The H*ll that I know???

    I didn't do it. So that leaves it to a Moderator.

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    Pointman wrote:
    Where'd the pictures of TJ and Sgt Jensen go? My wife wasn't done drooling.
    They can be found here.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...168274#p168274


    And here.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...171966#p171966
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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