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    Wife wants to go to a game. Looks like we might be on foot on both sides of the ferry and would prefer not to be unarmed. I doubt they have lock boxes to secure the sidearm during the game.

    Anyone been to a game lately and know how rigorous the screening process is to enforce their "rules"?

    We talking keep it covered? SmartCarry? Metal Detectors?

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    i believe as long as you have a CPL you should be allowed to carry it into the stadium under 9.41.300 and 9.41.070:
    (2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances: (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to: (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or
    i havent been to a game there in about a year but last time i went they just checked any bags, no pat down what so ever.



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    I've never been to safeco field, but I have to grit my teeth and allow them to pat me down every time I go to a football game at qwest field. It seems the opposite of everything American that I would be searched while going to watch a football game.

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    Izzle wrote:
    i believe as long as you have a CPL you should be allowed to carry it into the stadium under 9.41.300 and 9.41.070:
    (2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances: (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to: (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or
    This is incorrect because Safeco is not operated by the city of Seattle.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    no it is operated by "Washington-King County Stadium Authority" which i would assume is county level

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    I have yet to see where anything says that they operate it. The Washington-King County Stadium Authority owns the stadium but to my knowledge it is operated by a contracted stadium operator.

    The RCW requires that the operator of the stadium be the municipality. In the case of Safeco, Qwest Field, and a handful of others they are owned by the municipality but operated by an independant corporation.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    This is how they get around banning firearms at the stadium.....we built and paid for it with our tax money, yet it's run by a private corporation who can then deny us our rights, search us as if we were criminals every time we enter our tax funded stadium, and generally screw us coming and going......screw the Mariners, screw Seattle, and screw the state of Washington-fornia for orchestrating the huge screw-job that is Safeco Field and the Mariners.....I would imagine Qwest Field (spit) is the same way......I will never, ever go to a Mariners or Seahawks game again.

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    joeroket wrote:
    I have yet to see where anything says that they operate it. The Washington-King County Stadium Authority owns the stadium but to my knowledge it is operated by a contracted stadium operator.

    The RCW requires that the operator of the stadium be the municipality. In the case of Safeco, Qwest Field, and a handful of others they are owned by the municipality but operated by an independant corporation.
    you are right my mistake

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    Izzle wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    I have yet to see where anything says that they operate it. The Washington-King County Stadium Authority owns the stadium but to my knowledge it is operated by a contracted stadium operator.

    The RCW requires that the operator of the stadium be the municipality. In the case of Safeco, Qwest Field, and a handful of others they are owned by the municipality but operated by an independant corporation.
    you are right my mistake
    I have always wondered if it was the legislatures who worded it that way to let the cities off the hook or if the cities attornies found a loophole in the wording. I think it is kinda like the chicken or the egg and we will never know but it is irritating as hell that they worded it the way they did.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
    Izzle wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    I have yet to see where anything says that they operate it. The Washington-King County Stadium Authority owns the stadium but to my knowledge it is operated by a contracted stadium operator.

    The RCW requires that the operator of the stadium be the municipality. In the case of Safeco, Qwest Field, and a handful of others they are owned by the municipality but operated by an independant corporation.
    you are right my mistake
    I have always wondered if it was the legislatures who worded it that way to let the cities off the hook or if the cities attornies found a loophole in the wording. I think it is kinda like the chicken or the egg and we will never know but it is irritating as hell that they worded it the way they did.

    I would like to see the argument that if a municipality owns it, then by default they operate it. That operation may take the form of hiring a contractor to manage it, but if they are hiring someone to do the day to day business, are they not still calling the shots?




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    911Boss wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    Izzle wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    I have yet to see where anything says that they operate it. The Washington-King County Stadium Authority owns the stadium but to my knowledge it is operated by a contracted stadium operator.

    The RCW requires that the operator of the stadium be the municipality. In the case of Safeco, Qwest Field, and a handful of others they are owned by the municipality but operated by an independant corporation.
    you are right my mistake
    I have always wondered if it was the legislatures who worded it that way to let the cities off the hook or if the cities attornies found a loophole in the wording. I think it is kinda like the chicken or the egg and we will never know but it is irritating as hell that they worded it the way they did.

    I would like to see the argument that if a municipality owns it, then by default they operate it. That operation may take the form of hiring a contractor to manage it, but if they are hiring someone to do the day to day business, are they not still calling the shots?


    Typically no they do not call the shots. The management company is under a lease type contract that usually gives them all the power to do as they see fit.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    911Boss wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    Izzle wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    I have yet to see where anything says that they operate it. The Washington-King County Stadium Authority owns the stadium but to my knowledge it is operated by a contracted stadium operator.

    The RCW requires that the operator of the stadium be the municipality. In the case of Safeco, Qwest Field, and a handful of others they are owned by the municipality but operated by an independant corporation.
    you are right my mistake
    I have always wondered if it was the legislatures who worded it that way to let the cities off the hook or if the cities attornies found a loophole in the wording. I think it is kinda like the chicken or the egg and we will never know but it is irritating as hell that they worded it the way they did.

    I would like to see the argument that if a municipality owns it, then by default they operate it. That operation may take the form of hiring a contractor to manage it, but if they are hiring someone to do the day to day business, are they not still calling the shots?


    If you finance a car through the bank, they own it. Do they operate it, or do you? On the same note, if it needs repairs, does the bank have a say in where it goes or what it gets done, or do you as the operator?

    Thats just how I see it, but I could be wrong.

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    Tristus,



    According to my boss who went to a game recently. they do a half assed pat down as you enter, at least in his case. Nothing more through than that. they completely missed his Springfield xd.



    The funny thing was he forgot he was carrying. or that is to say heis so used to it that it didn’t register until he sat down and did the mental ohcrap thing.



    After he finished watching the game, he looked up there head of security. He politely suggested they might want to retrain there personnel on proper pat down procedures.



    Nope, no lock boxes sorry.However this makes me recall an idea I once had. setting up a lockbox rental service. kind of like those guys who rent out lawn space for parkingat fairs or whatever...heh



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    fatalhubris wrote:
    After he finished watching the game, he looked up there head of security. He politely suggested they might want to retrain there personnel on proper pat down procedures.
    Why??


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    M1Gunr wrote:
    fatalhubris wrote:
    After he finished watching the game, he looked up there head of security. He politely suggested they might want to retrain there personnel on proper pat down procedures.
    Why??
    +1!
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    Lets see A: to point out a gross level of incompetence or B: he just felt like it.



    How should I know

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    fatalhubris wrote:
    Lets see A: to point out a gross level of incompetence or B: he just felt like it.



    How should I know
    I think the reason M1Gunr said that and the reason I +1'd it, was because, it's really our right to carry there due to it being a state-owned (tax-payer-funded) property, yet they want to skirt the law by using a proxy management. If that management is imcompetent enough to allow us to peacefully and legally carry as is our right to do, then why try to change it?

    Nothing against you FH, it's just frustrating to think that the gent would want to have them trample on our rights more efficiently.
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    Iagree with you guys I really do. however [/b]I just do not feel like trying second guessing someoneI respect.[/b]

    I am sure he had his reasons. [/b]

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    nope managements not incompetent. just theidiots they hire are. [/b][/b]You get what you pay for,Safeco isa bunch ofcheep basterds. Soin this caseI supose its.less than caring or competent minimum wage mouth breathing, window licking, 10$ an hour security phucktards. who couldn’t find there collective asses with both hands, a flashlight, and a map.[/b]

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    uhh didI just go on a rant?[/b]

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    just_a_car wrote:
    it's just frustrating to think that the gent would want to have them trample on our rights more efficiently.
    +1
    I'm sure his intentions were in the best of faith

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    Like it or not, you are going to find this policy in any MLB park you go to. It is part of the franchise agreement. Some teams will have lesser and some more stringent policy in place. Be that as it may, that is the way it is for now. Blame the Baseball Commissioners, they set the security standards for the ball parks.

    How do I know? I work for the Mariners and up to the 2005 season I was in a front office supervisory position. I left for 2 years and am back now in a better spot.

    As far as the quality of the people they hire, of the 1500 +/- employees, who by the way, are ALL on a first name basis with the ownership group, a goodly portion are those of disability, retired, mentally challenged who for various reasons are unable to find employment elsewhere.

    Flame away




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    The last time I was at Safeco (Mariners' game last summer), they didn't pat me down at all. I just went straight through the gates with everybody else.

    I wasn't carrying at the time, but it seems to me that it would be trivially easy to do so.

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    Whether we like it or not, stadiums such as Safeco field may be "Owned" by the city/county but are LEASED to teams that occupy them. During the dates of the Lease the Team has total control of the facility (just like you do with a leased car or a leased apartment). They have the right to make the rules just as if it was private property.
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