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    Well we have been having record high temperatures the last two days here, and i decided to take my new rottweiller pup out for a walk. As always I left the house with my 1911 and spare reload firmly attached to my side, i was a little dressed up becuase an hour earlier i had finished my oral board interview at the local police department.

    About five minutes into my walk i noticed Officer Kurht running a speed trap just down the street on my side of the road. i had done several ride alongs in the past with the police department and the latest one with him. i continued down the sidewalk and then paused briefly to untangle the pup's leash from his legs and i looked up to see him walking over. My puppy took refuge between my legs from the sun and sat down. Our conversation went as follows.

    Officer Kurht : "Nice puppy..... aw is he scared?"

    Me : "No, he is just shy around new people, he is really very friendly."

    Officer Kurht : "Ahh, i see. Well i got a question for you."

    Me : "Sure, whats up?"

    Officer Kurht : "And I think you know whats coming...."

    Me : "yes.."

    Officer Kurht : " Do you always walk around with a gun?"

    Me : "Yes, but i usually concealled carry, but its so hot out that i didnt want to deal with it today."

    Officer Kurht : "Thats understandable, do you have a CPL?"

    Me : "Yes, would you like to see it?"

    Officer Kurht : "No, thats ok, i dont need to see it. Can i get your name?"

    Me : "Yes.."

    I took out my driver's license and cpl and them both over to him.

    Me : "Washington is an open carry state and i dont have to have one, but i have no problem showing you."

    Officer Kurht : "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone calls it in."

    Me : "No problem. I just got done with my oral board this morning."

    Officer Kurht : "Oh, you did the testing yesterday? wow, it was a hot day for a PT test."

    Me "yeah, i know, they couldn't have picked it better, but at least its over."

    Officer Kurht : "Ok, well good luck, and try to stay cool."

    Me : " Thanks, take it easy."

    and with that he walked back to his patrol car and resumed monitoring the radar for speeders, it only took about a minute for him to see one and he took off after him.

    and that was that. Officer Kurht is always very nice and easy to talk to, but he defenetly had his game face on when he came over initally to talk to me. I think he recognized me part way through becuase he tone changed and he became less assertive.

    With that I should add that i believe this is the first LEO contact for Pullman and I pretty much had to walk right past him with my strong side showing to get a reaction.:celebrate



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    Good stuff. I've been in PPD while OCing, only in the entrance though, and there was nothing but friendly faces behind the counter. Also the cops have shifted their heads to get a better look while walking down the street but I have never been directly contacted, great news and good luck. Yesterday was a crappy day for a PT test.

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    DMR-223 wrote:
    Officer Kurht : "No, thats ok, i dont need to see it. Can i get your name?"

    Me : "Yes.."

    I took out my driver's license and cpl and them both over to him.
    Ack! Why did you show him anything?

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    Mainsail wrote:
    DMR-223 wrote:
    Officer Kurht : "No, thats ok, i dont need to see it. Can i get your name?"

    Me : "Yes.."

    I took out my driver's license and cpl and them both over to him.
    Ack! Why did you show him anything?
    BecauseOfficer Kurht said: "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone calls it in." That way the officer would handle it and already dealt with it. All cops are not trying to screw you when they take you info. Why make things tough for everyone. It's about creating good relations and not having the cops thinking you're an a**hole.

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    +1



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    I agree If you have nothing to hide why worry about it.It's easier to justmake it as smooth as possible. And Pullman is pretty small anyway so he should have no more problems anyway.

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    DMR-223 wrote:
    Officer Kurht : "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone calls it in."

    But if OC is legal, why would they want your name? Who cares who you are? And if you don't need a permit to OC, isn't having a permit for concealed carry irrelevant?
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    I agree If you have nothing to hide why worry about it.It's easier to justmake it as smooth as possible. And Pullman is pretty small anyway so he should have no more problems anyway.
    If you have nothing to hide why not let 'em search your house, or car. or personwhenever they feel like it?

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    Shotgun wrote:
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    Officer Kurht : "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone calls it in."

    But if OC is legal, why would they want your name? Who cares who you are? And if you don't need a permit to OC, isn't having a permit for concealed carry irrelevant?
    Thats is exactly what the officer said, he didn't need to see the CPL. But it was offered freely, which is a smart move. The cop then knows you have nothing to hide. Damn, why must you guys be so confrontational even if the cop isn't.

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    Shotgun wrote:
    DMR-223 wrote:
    Officer Kurht : "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone calls it in."

    But if OC is legal, why would they want your name? Who cares who you are? And if you don't need a permit to OC, isn't having a permit for concealed carry irrelevant?
    Why? So if dispatch gets another call of 'man with a gun', the officer gets on the radio and goes 'what was the suspect description?'--recieves description matching first encounter and replies '10-4, already checked and he's a permit holder'. Saves the cop a lot of time running down any calls like that when they come in.

    With a CCW, you've been background checked, you've had at least a basic gun safety class and in some jurisdictions you've proven that you can at least hit the broad side of a barn. That gives cops a warm, fuzzy feeling.

    Don't get on the wrong side of the friendly, professional cops! Bend a little....

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    Loneviking wrote:
    Shotgun wrote:
    DMR-223 wrote:
    Officer Kurht : "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone calls it in."

    But if OC is legal, why would they want your name? Who cares who you are? And if you don't need a permit to OC, isn't having a permit for concealed carry irrelevant?
    Why? So if dispatch gets another call of 'man with a gun', the officer gets on the radio and goes 'what was the suspect description?'--recieves description matching first encounter and replies '10-4, already checked and he's a permit holder'. Saves the cop a lot of time running down any calls like that when they come in.

    With a CCW, you've been background checked, you've had at least a basic gun safety class and in some jurisdictions you've proven that you can at least hit the broad side of a barn. That gives cops a warm, fuzzy feeling.

    Don't get on the wrong side of the friendly, professional cops! Bend a little....
    In Washington, no class and no shooting test. You apply, pass the background check and you get your permit. Any schooling requirementviolates the Second Amendment.

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    DMR-223 wrote:
    Officer Kurht : "No, thats ok, i dont need to see it. Can i get your name?"

    Me : "Yes.."

    I took out my driver's license and cpl and them both over to him.

    Me : "Washington is an open carry state and i dont have to have one, but i have no problem showing you."

    Officer Kurht : "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone (SIC) calls it in.
    Oh, for SURE! (sarcasm on) Good encounter! (sarcasm off).

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    CC27 wrote:
    bayfire66 wrote:
    I agree If you have nothing to hide why worry about it.It's easier to justmake it as smooth as possible. And Pullman is pretty small anyway so he should have no more problems anyway.
    If you have nothing to hide why not let 'em search your house, or car. or personwhenever they feel like it?
    Excellent question.
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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Shotgun wrote:
    DMR-223 wrote:
    Officer Kurht : "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone calls it in."

    But if OC is legal, why would they want your name? Who cares who you are? And if you don't need a permit to OC, isn't having a permit for concealed carry irrelevant?
    Thats is exactly what the officer said, he didn't need to see the CPL. But it was offered freely, which is a smart move. The cop then knows you have nothing to hide. Damn, why must you guys be so confrontational even if the cop isn't.
    I would consider irrelevant questioning to be somewhat confrontational.
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    Loneviking wrote:
    Shotgun wrote:
    DMR-223 wrote:
    Officer Kurht : "Its fine, im just taking your name in case somone calls it in."

    But if OC is legal, why would they want your name? Who cares who you are? And if you don't need a permit to OC, isn't having a permit for concealed carry irrelevant?
    Why? So if dispatch gets another call of 'man with a gun', the officer gets on the radio and goes 'what was the suspect description?'--recieves description matching first encounter and replies '10-4, already checked and he's a permit holder'. Saves the cop a lot of time running down any calls like that when they come in.

    With a CCW, you've been background checked, you've had at least a basic gun safety class and in some jurisdictions you've proven that you can at least hit the broad side of a barn. That gives cops a warm, fuzzy feeling.

    Don't get on the wrong side of the friendly, professional cops! Bend a little....
    Nothing wrong with having a safety class and being competent with a gun, but if you're OCing, are you required to attend a class or demonstate competence? As public servants, the police ought to be concerned with getting on the wrong side of citizens who are not engaged in anything illegal.
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    Why do we have all these out of staters with chips on their shoulders giving us their opinions when they don't know the law? or the difference between a CCW (?) and the CPL we carry?

    Interesting avatar there Bear...

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    Misguided Child wrote:
    Why do we have all these out of staters with chips on their shoulders giving us their opinions when they don't know the law? or the difference between a CCW (?) and the CPL we carry?
    +1 It does seem the out of staters do that alot , envious of our laws perhaps ?

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    Mortech wrote:
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    Why do we have all these out of staters with chips on their shoulders giving us their opinions when they don't know the law? or the difference between a CCW (?) and the CPL we carry?
    +1 It does seem the out of staters do that alot , envious of our laws perhaps ?
    Riiight....Nevada is a gold star open carry state while your state is what color? Go ahead and look, and then reconsider the envy angle.....

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    Riiight....Nevada is a gold star open carry state while your state is what color? Go ahead and look, and then reconsider the envy angle.....
    I wouldn't put much weight into that colored map. The only reason we aren't gold is because you have to have a CPL to carry in a vehicle and you can't carry in a bar or lounge. But, unlike some gold star states, we can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, just not in the area designated "No Minors" by the state Liquor Control Board.

    Honestly, our laws are, on the whole, better than many of the so-called "gold star" states shown. Our only issue is that LEOs and the public aren't as up to date on them as they should be.

    Oh... and there appears to be something on your shoulder you may wish to brush off.....
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    just_a_car wrote:
    Loneviking wrote:
    Riiight....Nevada is a gold star open carry state while your state is what color? Go ahead and look, and then reconsider the envy angle.....
    I wouldn't put much weight into that colored map. The only reason we aren't gold is because you have to have a CPL to carry in a vehicle and you can't carry in a bar or lounge. But, unlike some gold star states, we can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, just not in the area designated "No Minors" by the state Liquor Control Board.

    Honestly, our laws are, on the whole, better than many of the so-called "gold star" states shown. Our only issue is that LEOs and the public aren't as up to date on them as they should be.

    Oh... and there appears to be something on your shoulder you may wish to brush off.....
    Hey, I didn't start this ******* contest and the comments about envy---that came completely out of the blue and wasuncalled for. That's the reason for my return comments. And FYI--in Nevada you CAN carry in a resturant that serves alcohol, and drink as long as your blood alcohol stays under .10. We can also carry open or concealed in a car....so don't get too uppity about how good your laws are.

    Sheesh, make a comment on getting along with a LEO and look where it leads...

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    First off, I have an great relationship with most of the officers in pullman, i have on several occasions helped them get their squad cars unstuck from the snow and so forth. I freely offerd him my information for several reasons

    A.) I knew him already.
    B.) He was infact trying to help me Open Carry by circumventing any further police activity in relation to somene calling my description in.

    I thought that one goal of OCDO and members was to try and change the perceptions of other people that citizens and gun owners who exercise their rights are, polite, upstanding citizens who are curtious and not the anti-social, defensive, parinoid nut's that the media portrays.

    I see no reason to be combative or un friendly to somone who is just doing their job and trying to stay safe. At no point did i feel like i was being harrassed or unreasonably stopped.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    In Washington, no class and no shooting test. You apply, pass the background check and you get your permit. Any schooling requirementviolates the Second Amendment.
    (emphasis added)

    Of course even the very concept of needing a permit to carry a firearm violates the Second Amendment, but it is nice that Washington tramples the constitution a lot less than most states.

    I may be moving to the seattle area in the next year or so (it is at the top of the lsit my wife and I recently made), I am really glad the state is as friendly as it is towards firearms and that they make it so easy to get a permit.

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    If you ‘knew’ each other, he wouldn’t have requested your ID. Your knowing him is irrelevant. Look, exercising your rights doesn’t have to be confrontational. You willingly sacrificed your privacy rights to exercise your firearms rights, some of us don’t believe in doing so. I’m not exactly new to this process, in fact my first police encounter was so hostile that I almost gave it up, instead it made me resolve to learn the privacy laws. A “friendly” police officer is just a police officer who is smart enough to know that hostile isn’t the only attitude in his bag of tricks.

    Ask yourself this; when a police officer politely asks to search your car, is he asking to benefit you or to look for incriminating evidence? IOW, is he going to say, “Oh look at this, your seatbelt is a little frayed here at the bottom, you should get that replaced.” No! He’s looking for something to arrest you for, and you’re giving him the rope that can hang you.

    You don’t have to be rude or confrontational when you ask the officer if you are being detained, nor do you have to cop an attitude when he says yes and you ask him for suspicion of what crime he is detaining you. I’m a strong advocate for ‘polite’ at all times, even if it comes to me no longer responding to his questions. I like the police and appreciate the job they do, more so now that I can listen to the jobs they do on the scanner every day.

    Your privacy rights are every bit as precious as your firearms rights. To willingly throw away yours seems silly to some of us. I don’t consider the sacrifice of my privacy to be a ‘compromise’ when dealing with a police officer. If he really wants to discuss the issue he can give me his phone number and we can meet later and discuss it over a beer like two grown (and equal) men.


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    Mainsail wrote:
    If you ‘knew’ each other, he wouldn’t have requested your ID.

    Ask yourself this; when a police officer politely asks to search your car, is he asking to benefit you or to look for incriminating evidence? IOW, is he going to say, “Oh look at this, your seatbelt is a little frayed here at the bottom, you should get that replaced.” No! He’s looking for something to arrest you for, and you’re giving him the rope that can hang you.



    He asked for my name, not my ID.

    Why is your view of Police so skewed to the negitive? And I am suprised that you have the audacity to belittle somone who you have never met. I did not give him any more personal information then was nessisary. My rights are not sacrified or infringed in any way by simply having a conversation.


    I gave him my drivers license becuase my name is very very hard to spell and I wouldnt expect him to remember me apart from everyone he has ever been introduced to before.


    Officer Kurht was not trying to obtain information for any other purpose other than to make sure that i was not stopped again.


    It's ok.... the men in blue are not coming to get you.....


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    I think it's a hard stance either way. We have it so ingrained in our heads that the police and the government for that fact are the good guys, which in most cases they are, and that we need to cooperate to the utmost fullest. If we refuse to answer his questions we automatically look guilty and hostile. If we answer his questions we are 'copping-out' (couldn't resist!) and sacrificing our rights. We will never be able to please both groups on this forum. Some people see no wrong in offering information, others think it is a violation of our rights. Who is right? I think it is whoever is in that situation at the time has their on choices to make and is right. Thank God we live in America where we have the choice to do stuff like this.

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