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    Need help ...!!!!!!!

    I was in Fair Oaks Mall today and was asked to leave the Mall as they do not support any form of weapon carrying...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I did not see a sign **....!!!!

    What's the deal on that ...?????

    Any suggestions here...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    If you are asked to leave, then you have to leave. If you refuse, then you are officially trespassing.

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    I understand that bit.,....!!!!

    But i thought they (FairOaks ) was okay with OC's

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    Guess not in this case. May wanna look around and see if you see a sign posted someplace. May be one but you just didn't see it.
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    Who asked you to leave?

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    I've looked there before. There is no sign. I say we just let it be and CC there until someone here decides to make a political issue out of it.
    It's too bad there's no big Sporting Goods store there that would have patrons sympathetic to our cause. If there were, we could target them for leverage...

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Who asked you to leave?
    Wondering the same thing....

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    Write your favorite stores, tell them you were shopping, were going to spend money in their establishment, but were kicked out for lawful carry.

    CC the mall management.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Who asked you to leave?
    Yes, who asked you to leave? Was it mall security?

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    I've open carried there many times and never had any issues...

    I too would like to know who asked you to leave....

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    Mall Security...!!!!!!!!!!

    One of the guards claimed that he had just spoken to his superiors and was advised that i should be told/asked to leave ................

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    marine2000 wrote:
    Mall Security...!!!!!!!!!!

    One of the guards claimed that he had just spoken to his superiors and was advised that i should be told/asked to leave ................
    There is your answer. Don't shop there anymore then.

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    Another addition to the DNP list.........
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    Sheriff wrote:
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    Write your favorite stores, tell them you were shopping, were going to spend money in their establishment, but were kicked out for lawful carry.

    CC the mall management.
    I second this suggestion.
    I'd like to see a formal statement from management prior to any other actions taking place. I know the usual rule is “don’t rock the boat” but if they are now actively expelling lawful behavior, that boat has already been rocked. Not to offend the fine Ninja workforce, but there have been instances where the statements made by said Ninja's were not 100% accurate, and in reality did not reflect the true desire of owners/management.
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    If you made any purchases. Take them all back to the stores and ask for your money back. And when they ask why, be sure to tell them.

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    I OC'd several times in Fair Oaks Mall when I worked near there. I really think most of the mall security officers don't notice, but occasionally you get one who does. Then he doesn't know what to do, so he calls his boss, who doesn't know what to do, so they figure they'll err on the side of caution and ask you to leave.

    I kept expecting to have something said, especially when I spent lots in jewelry stores there, but nothing. I would have hated to take back all those gems, but I could have bought them elsewhere.


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    marine2000 wrote:
    Mall Security...!!!!!!!!!!

    One of the guards claimed that he had just spoken to his superiors and was advised that i should be told/asked to leave ................
    Well now....

    You were not banned, right? So I guess you can still return another day.

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    Maybe we need a dinner at a fair oaks mall restaurant?
    Carry On.

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    Hey that would be a good idea...!!!!!!!!

    Maybe have the Media involved

    Ed...

    I am really not sure as to what their management has agreed on...!!!!

    This is quite serious business, as i have already made a formal statement to Consumer Council.

    I will be be posting that soon up here

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    marine2000 wrote:
    Hey that would be a good idea...!!!!!!!!

    Maybe have the Media involved

    Ed...

    I am really not sure as to what their management has agreed on...!!!!

    This is quite serious business, as i have already made a formal statement to Consumer Council.

    I will be be posting that soon up here
    I'd say it would be best to confirm with management before doing that (OC dinner with media). It would be horrible to invite the media just to have a trainwreck on our hands for all to see...

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    ed wrote:
    Maybe we need a dinner at a fair oaks mall restaurant?
    While I agree in principle, it's generally not a good idea to antagonize.

    Usually it's better to let things lie for a short time, and resume normal behavior. I'm betting they have fairly high turnover on these mall security folks. Heavyhandedness on our part could cause the signs to go up, and that's not our desired result at all.
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    Consumer council? Media? How many times have we seen this type of thing being an uninformed, poorly trained employee(s)? Why not just contact the mall management and tell them that you are very confused as there is no posting at the mall, several other people you have talked with who daily carry a firearm have carried into their mall and you don't understand why you were asked to leave on such and such a date by mall security? Describe the circumstances and give them a chance to respond.
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    Tess wrote:
    ed wrote:
    Maybe we need a dinner at a fair oaks mall restaurant?
    While I agree in principle, it's generally not a good idea to antagonize.

    Usually it's better to let things lie for a short time, and resume normal behavior. I'm betting they have fairly high turnover on these mall security folks. Heavyhandedness on our part could cause the signs to go up, and that's not our desired result at all.
    good point(s)
    Carry On.

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    I really don't see why the media would be a good idea. It isn't like they are friendly.

    All managment cares about is $$$$. Hit them where it hurts.

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    Okay, you were asked to leave. Others weren't, at one time or another. Maybe they weren't seen by folks in the know.

    Everybody says, "I didn't see a sign." I saw it on their code of conduct years ago. It was posted by a bathroom then. Now, who knows. I left immediately and haven't been back in seven years. Posting is a convenience for the business owner. It simply isn't required by the law.

    Since the mall is private property, you can be asked to leave for any reason. They can ask you to leave because you OC, and not ask someone else. It's their right, and they can get away with it because your right to carry is restricted on that very point. If you return to the mall with your gun, even CC, you are trespassing. Unless, that is, you get a different ruling from the mall management. I confirmed with mall management years ago, which is why you've never seen me there. I haven't found the stores to be so vital that I have bothered to re-verify.

    I'm not mad at you, I'm angry at the sort of feel-safe mentality that leads to these bans. They ASSUME that other patrons will be concerned or scared, so they ban guns, or they think that it's a safety issue and so turn what is really safe situation into an unsafe one! Just read @ VCDL that malls/ parking lots are in the top five most dangerous places for women. A few more guns without uniforms would make it much less attractive to criminals.

    Here endeth the rant...
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