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    OC'd today at Trolley Square, no problems at all. Very friendly people in the shops - had some good chats - not about carry, but still. There is a lot of construction up there! Almost all the shops upstairs are empty. Not what I remembered seeing

    I'm not sure that this is a valid reason to start a new thread , but I thought I'd let everyone know - seeing as how there was an violent attack there a while back.

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    GeneticsDave wrote:
    OC'd today at Trolley Square, no problems at all. Very friendly people in the shops - had some good chats - not about carry, but still. There is a lot of construction up there! Almost all the shops upstairs are empty. Not what I remembered seeing

    I'm not sure that this is a valid reason to start a new thread , but I thought I'd let everyone know - seeing as how there was an violent attack there a while back.
    SGTJensen did that a while back too.

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    I saw that over on UCC, asked him if he thought I should before I did, he said go for it...

    Maybe I'm just lucky or invisible or something (thankfully), but I haven't had any negative encounters thus far, knock on wood (or brick)

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    wow...

    I thought about it, but not sure if I would do it my self, maybe with one of you. I would imagine a confrontation with LEO would not start well.



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    Good for you, Dave! I told you all would be OK. Like I said before, just another store.
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    I like that... "Just another store." Thanks for the reassurance today

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    Now if they would just change their stupid policy:quirky

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    Good for you Dave. I might just go for it as well.

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    Good job!
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    well....

    I've only been there once and dont remeber a sign. I've read many of you say a sign isnt worth much.

    So can someone legaly OC at Trolly Square? or even at any other store or place of business that has a sign? Ofcourse excluding the buildings mentioned in the laws, post office, court house, federal buildings ect.

    I also know if your asked to cover it up (if you legaly can) or leave that you need to.

    Is there a tread that says where or where notyou can OC?

    So is OC at Trolley Square ok?

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    The sign is still there. A sign posted like this carries no legal consequences if you choose to disobey it. However, if someone asks you to leave, and you do not comply, there is a chance at being charged for trespassing.
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    usSiR wrote:
    So can someone legaly OC at Trolly Square? or even at any other store or place of business that has a sign? Ofcourse excluding the buildings mentioned in the laws, post office, court house, federal buildings ect.

    I also know if your asked to cover it up (if you legaly can) or leave that you need to.

    Is there a tread that says where or where notyou can OC?

    So is OC at Trolley Square ok?
    In some states, if a property owner puts up a sign prohibiting weapons, that sign has legal force. Ignore it and you're a criminal. That's NOT the case in Utah, except for private residences and churches. If they put up no-gun signs, you have to obey them.

    So, carrying is perfectly legal in Trolley Square, OC or CC. Of course CC requires a valid permit.

    As you said, if they ask you to leave, you have to. If they ask you to cover it up, you don't have to comply with that, but if you refuse they'll probably ask you to leave... and that you have to do, or you're trespassing.

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    I saw a little notice over there, but it was about 20 feet from the door I entered in and the font was size 6 or so, so I couldn't read it :?

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    good grief :shock:, look at all the "poop" that’s written on that sign, surprised a rock hasn’t gone through that window yet.

    that makes me want to; wear a Cannibal Corps (death metal band)tee shirt, a hat sideways, invite 20 friends to wander with me all open carrying, some 2 way radios, bring my dog with one of those harness's with the handle on it, use our cameras on our phones, I don’t know what truancy is and don’t think 99% of high school kids do either, I lost my skate board back in high school, I usually don’t litter anyway, oh did I say open carry? Then see what they say

    That sign is about the most ridiculous one I've ever seen!


    So wait... Can a store owner/manager just ask any one to leave for any reason and if not its trespassing?

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    Private businesses reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. If you were asked to leave, and did not, they could call the cops. The cops could cite you for trespassing. Whether or not the charge would be legit is for the courts to decide.
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    SGT Jensen wrote:
    Private businesses reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. If you were asked to leave, and did not, they could call the cops. The cops could cite you for trespassing. Whether or not the charge would be legit is for the courts to decide.
    oh ok, thanks

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    Said this in another thread but thought I would repeat it here, I think that the families of the victims of the trolley square shootings should have sued the mall. Maybe then the signs would have come down.

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    Can anyone point me to where, in Utah law, it says that you can disobey a sign put up by a private business until someone asks you to leave?

    I'm interested because I want to be able to recite such law in case anyone asks.

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    Refer to 76-10-530

    76-10-530. Trespass with a firearm in a house of worship or private residence -- Notice -- Penalty.

    (1) A person, including a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Weapon Act, after notice has been given as provided in Subsection (2) that firearms are prohibited, may not knowingly and intentionally:
    (a) transport a firearm into:
    (i) a house of worship; or
    (ii) a private residence; or
    (b) while in possession of a firearm, enter or remain in:
    (i) a house of worship; or
    (ii) a private residence.
    (2) Notice that firearms are prohibited may be given by:
    (a) personal communication to the actor by:
    (i) the church or organization operating the house of worship;
    (ii) the owner, lessee, or person with lawful right of possession of the private residence; or
    (iii) a person with authority to act for the person or entity in Subsections (2)(a)(i) and (ii);
    (b) posting of signs reasonably likely to come to the attention of persons entering the house of worship or private residence;
    (c) announcement, by a person with authority to act for the church or organization operating the house of worship, in a regular congregational meeting in the house of worship;
    (d) publication in a bulletin, newsletter, worship program, or similar document generally circulated or available to the members of the congregation regularly meeting in the house of worship; or
    (e) publication in a newspaper of general circulation in the county in which the house of worship is located or the church or organization operating the house of worship has its principal office in this state.
    (3) A church or organization operating a house of worship and giving notice that firearms are prohibited may:
    (a) revoke the notice, with or without supersedure, by giving further notice in any manner provided in Subsection (2); and
    (b) provide or allow exceptions to the prohibition as the church or organization considers advisable.
    (4) (a) (i) Within 30 days of giving or revoking any notice pursuant to Subsection (2)(c), (d), or (e), a church or organization operating a house of worship shall notify the division on a form and in a manner as the division shall prescribe.
    (ii) The division shall post on its website a list of the churches and organizations operating houses of worship who have given notice under Subsection (4)(a)(i).
    (b) Any notice given pursuant to Subsection (2)(c), (d), or (e) shall remain in effect until revoked or for a period of one year from the date the notice was originally given, whichever occurs first.
    (5) Nothing in this section permits an owner who has granted the lawful right of possession to a renter or lessee to restrict the renter or lessee from lawfully possessing a firearm in the residence.
    (6) A violation of this section is an infraction.

    Amended by Chapter 203, 2003 General Session

    Hope that helps.

    Also, for all those who have retards for landlords, who try to prohibit you from having firearms in the apartment, notice subsection 5

    (5) Nothing in this section permits an owner who has granted the lawful right of possession to a renter or lessee to restrict the renter or lessee from lawfully possessing a firearm in the residence.

    Anybody who has a landlord like that needs to shove this in his/her face


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    I don't see where that talks about a private business.... maybe I missed something?

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    Oh sorry, to clarify, private businesses are given the same protection as private residences.

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    Hmmmm... that is very interesting. Sorry if this sounds rude, but how did you find that out? Just curious

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    I found that out from the nice people here at OCDO :celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate

    Oh and

    But seriously I'll try and find the link to the discussion and post it for you.

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    Thanks man. You and everyone else on here are completely AWESOME!

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    I apologize but I can't find the thread, I spent an hour trying to find it but no luck. Start a thread and ask the question and you will definitely get a response.

    Oh and NP, If we didn't help people to OC, we wouldn't be very effective in our cause now would we?

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