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    This is a duplicate of a post I just made in the Utah section. I realized non-Utahns are likely to care as much about this issue as Utahns are. The good news is, short of special session (VERY unlikely) nothing can happen legally until January. The better news is, we can demonstrate to the new anti-RKBA bureaucrats at DPS that if they want to try to create a public outcry, WE will be the loudest voices on this issue. Please make a call or two. Non-Utahns may well want to call our governor and DPS.

    For the last couple of years, ever since the head of DPS was changed
    to Duncan a couple of years ago, that agency has failed to meet
    legislative mandates to issue permits on time. They have been looking
    for excuses for their own incompetence and unwillingness to do what
    they need to do.

    Their favored scapegoat the last couple of years has been the issuance
    of carry permits to non-residents. Simply put, there is NO PROBLEM
    with this practice. Several other State issue permits to
    non-residents and NOBODY has a problem and no other State is even
    talking about restricting non-resident permits. Indeed, the trend
    nationwide is to make permits more available, to recognize more
    permits, and to generally be more respectful of RKBA.

    PLEASE take a moment to call your State legislators, the governor's
    office, (full contact info for these government officials at
    http://www.goutahorg.org) and even DPS Commissioner Duncan (at (801)
    965-4461, ask for the commissioner's officer) and let them know
    (politely but firmly) that you are tired of this kind of scapegoating
    and there is no reason to limit lawful self-defense for anyone. There
    is no reason to limit out of State permits.

    We benefit GREATLY by the fact that there are 50,000 non-Utahns with
    Utah permits who have a vested interest in their home States honoring
    a Utah permit. Our tourism industry benefits from the fact that so
    many people know we respect their rights to an effective self-defense.

    Charles

    http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=3363827

    Utah's concealed weapons permit numbers grow
    May 22nd, 2008 @ 10:22am

    SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- As the number of concealed weapons permits
    issued to out-of-staters continues to rise, Utah public safety
    officials say it might be time to cut off applications.

    By the end of the year, officials estimate Utah will have issued more
    than 40,000 permits, nearly 150 percent more than issued last year.
    It's a 250 percent increase over permits issued in 2006.

    Since 1994 about two-thirds of permits issued go to out-of-staters.

    At a meeting with lawmakers on Wednesday, Public Safety Commissioner
    Col. Scott Duncan said the state should end out-of-state permitting.
    He says the program leaves Utah with a number of problems, including
    the inability to monitor some Utah-certified permit instructors. About
    70 percent live in states other than Utah.
    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

    "With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible."
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    "Communism and Anarchy [are], a necessary complement to one another. "
    --PETER KROPOTKIN, "Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal." 1898.

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    I guess I'll be signing up for that class sooner than later!

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    sad news

    I wouldn't rush out to take the Utah test and submit a application, because if they issue before the deadline in January,you won't be able to get it re-issued. if this goes through it will end the debate as to whether a Utah or Florida non-res permit was better. this happened once before

    about 7 yrs ago there was a post on Packing .org thatPa (Centre Co.) issued to NJ residents with a NJFID card as it was a carry permit ( a requirement for non-res permits in Pa)per se, so Centre co issued to about 30 folks, butafter the NJ state police (Stasi)complained the Pa AG issued a opinion that these valid permits could not be reissued after 5yrs

    hope this is not the case

    sprat

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    sprat wrote:
    sad news

    I wouldn't rush out to take the Utah test and submit a application, because if they issue before the deadline in January,you won't be able to get it re-issued.

    Not sure I follow you. The permit will be good for five years right? Lots of things can happen in five years such as turning over such a decision.

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    sprat wrote:
    sad news
    I again emphasize that the current situation is set by statute and can ONLY be modified by statute. Those who have an interest in Utah CCW permits should take the chance to let our governor and DPS commissioner know that they do not appreciate this kind of excuse for BCI's failure to abide the law on issuance time tables. With a little effort now, this issue will not come up during the session.

    Charles
    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

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    --Marxist.org

    "Communism and Anarchy [are], a necessary complement to one another. "
    --PETER KROPOTKIN, "Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal." 1898.

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    I do not have a UT non-resident permit, but I hope that the program does not end just because of bureaucratic whining. I would also think that with all the permits being issued, it would be generating money for the state government.

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    Last week, I spoke with the lady in charge of the instructors at BCI. She said that the freeze of non resident permitsis just talk, and that its not going to happen.
    James Reynolds

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