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Texas Beer Bandits shot

hamourkiller

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Weak 9MM, is name calling all you moral cowards can do? Call names.

Arguments like "the legal and finacial risk of the confrontation is not worth the property to me" Makes sense and leaves room for suchquestions as, is this the first theft you are experiencing or as the man in Dallas recently, it was his 42cnd burglary in one year. He shot gunned 3 property thieves killing two. No MORE THIEVES AT HIS HOUSE! Same actions you are lambasting the clerk for and calling me names, shooting a property thief. How much money must property be worth before you will defend it?

Three Tylenol is much different than two strong arm thugs just cruising on in and taking what they please. It was legal and moral what the store clerk did. But if you identify more with the two gang bangers instead of the victim clerk, well more power to you.
 

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Sorry Weak. Texas is a tough turf. You follow their rules or you get the hell out. You don't have to worry your pretty head 'bout what goes on down there or you wouldn't live there in the first place.

When I was a temporary resident I went along with the local rules. Mandatory, not 'when in Rome'...

If it is your teen you are worried about, teach your teen respect and how the world works. All of it. I have no stomach for raiding banshees that teens have now become because their parents are too socialist or politically correct liberals to behave themselves and respect others--life/property/whatever. I am much like Texas. Don't mess with me.

If you don't like the consequences, don't do it. Period.


ETA: Sorry, Hamour. Apparently you don't need any backup. Stand your ground.
 

Bill Starks

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It started at 11 yrs old. First it was the small stuff; candy bars and such. Over the years it got bigger; cd's, tools and now its beer. Had the clerk not stopped them they or their friends would hae been back time and time again. At some point it becomes a beer & money run because the guy won't stop you. This shooting put all future thieves at his place on notice. do I agree with it? No but at some point someone has to step up and let these punks know enough is enough.
 

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Weak 9mm wrote:
Who knows what either of you would do, you could obviously kill someone over almost anything.:)

Criminals should worry about what would be done to them in a specific circumstance. Especially when they are breaking local/state/federal law.

If they worried about it a lil more, they wouldn't do it. :idea:
 

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I should be killed for even thinking that owning a firearm was for self protection. It is really for killing beer theives.
 

hamourkiller

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Weak you keep getting confused, punishment comes after a trial etc. Protecting property is shooting to stop the theft from progressing further. Just as shooting a violent home invader is not punishment for the violent home invasion. It is an act by the victim to make the criminal stop his actions at that moment.

Courts punish people after the act is over.

People shooting criminals stealing or fleeing, are stopping an ongoing theft. Same for shooting an arsonist, rapist etc. You are stopping the act not punishing the person.

Even in Texas if you track some one down several daysafter the eventand shoot them, you will be arrested tried and if found guilty then punnished by law.
 

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Maybe the guy shouldn't have shot at the two punks, but what he did was in line with Texas law, so there you have it. :celebrate
 

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Weak why do you feel my comments are directed at YOU. Calm down, take a deep breath and reread that comment. Its a general comment toward thieves in general, nothing was pointed directly at you.
 

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Oh and I did mean to leave in the part where I said that I never stated that I thought M1Gunr was talking to me directly. That was a simply the result of confusion due to my use of the word "you" in a general manner. It was not a result of me in any way claiming that he had said that statement directly to me. I even sent him a PM earlier to clear up said confusion, although now he is not happy that I deleted my posts and "killed the thread." Personally, I don't see how I killed anything, as my posts were not being understood at all anyway. As such they did not contribute to the bandwagon in any way. Plus, I never claimed half the things people keep saying I claimed, so now they can have it their way. It looks exactly like they thought it did, with partial quotes of my posts and everything pointing to me misunderstanding the simplest things.

I will leave in the correction to the post though:

I'm an idiot, and I should be killed if I ever enter the state of Texas for any reason.
 

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Weak 9mm wrote:
A few dollars worth of beer does not equal someone's life.

You don't have a right toown a gun for the purpose of beinga crime stopper. You own a gun because you have a right to defend yourself against violent attack.

Apparently, in Texas they do think it's worth someone's life. Frankly, I probably wouldn't have fired, but Texas allows this for a reason, and it's to thwart crime andnot hold citizens liable when they defend themselves, their businesses, or their property. Criminals know the lawsas welland if they are willing to play games with life over some beer, I am not going to blame the guy in the store, I am going to nominate a beer thief for the Darwin Award for 2008. One thing is for sure, they won't be stealing from that storeanytime soon and same goes with probably everyone else they know.

As for the 2nd part of your quote, that is not the only reason we have this right and itis not the only reason I personally own orcarry firearms. The right goes far beyond limiting itto such a narrow purpose.
 

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1. To help ensure the security of a free state and country and to secure the blessings of liberty.

2. For self-defense purposes and for the defense of my family and forthe purposes of potentially defending those around me in my vacinity, and possibly my community.

3. To protect my property.

4. For sporting purposes, target shooting, competition, and training.

5. For the acquisition of game meat.

6. To simply exercise a fundamental American right that is under attack on a daily basis by well-funded extremists.

7. Adhering to my civic duty to be prepared for a possible call-up by the Governor or Presidentof the unorganized citizen militia described in US Code. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=10&sec=311

8. To repel invaders.
 

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Weak 9mm wrote:
I must just be a dumbass who already stated in the post that you partially quoted thatif it's legal then so be it.

I obviously misread that the clerk is who shot them. I didn't realize it was the business owner. Since it was his beer, I can understand it a lot more. Oh wait... It does say clerk. So was he defending himself, his business and his property?

Why do you own a gun? I mean if you're going to tell me that you can use them for more than defense I'd imagine I already knew that, but you want to take that one statement and jump on it. I've removed everything, don't worry. If I see a Beer theif, I'll be sure to ******* kill them so badly they'll be... dead... Ok? YAY! Kill all motherfuckers who ******* think that they're going to steal ******* beer. That is what it's all about right? Guns are for killing beer theives.

I can't believe I was so closed minded. I should have realized that ourconstitutional rights that guarantee us the ability to kill over someone elses, oops,I mean your own, oops, I mean someone elses,case of beer.


Why does this discussion have to be so hostile? I have said I wouldn't have fired, but that the law simply states that it is justified in that state. I don't see what the problem is and why it has to come down to the reason we own firearms is to shoot beer thieves in your mind...

Why are you spending so much energy defending thieves, no matter what the product?

Horse thieves used to be a hanging offense a little over 100 years ago.
 

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I didn't defend any theives. I kept saying I don't like theives, but that when there's no threat it's simply dangerous to open fire in a "public" area. I KNOW THE BUSINESS IS NOT TRULY 100% OPEN TOTHEPUBLIC, PLEASE DON'T GETON MY CASEABOUT THAT ONE STATEMENT TOO.

Don't worry, I will kill anybody that I see stealing anything from now on.
 

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1. You forgot that guns are for killing beer theives.



2. That idiot didn't bother to try to kill the theives and I let him know how badly he failed in doing that.

Note that I had mentioned that incident in an earlier post. I am sickened by the responses, everyone in there congratulating him for not killing them. Horrible.
 

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These weren't children. Any argument about anything to do with children is specious and inappropriate. Two adults chose to steal. They weren't stealing medicine to save their dying child or bread to feed their starving family or any other such moral hypothetical quandry. Two adult males chose to steal beer. They were shot in the process. The law in that state says lethal force is legal in such a situation. That is it. Stealing is and should be, by it's very nature dangerous. I feel not a moment of sympathy for them.
 
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