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    Okay, the wife wants to goto the zoo with some friends on Memorial Day. Anyone know if they allow firearms?
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    Outsider wrote:
    Okay, the wife wants to goto the zoo with some friends on Memorial Day. Anyone know if they allow firearms?



    For the health and safety for our animals and guests, we do not allow the following items inside the Zoo:

    1. Balloons of any kind
    2. Bicycles (except for Zoo Security officers)
    3. Tricycles (or similar such item that is powered by someone sitting on it)
    4. Heely shoes, in-line skates, or roller-skates.
    5. Skateboards
    6. Scooters of any kind
    7. Water guns or water balloons (water spray bottles are only allowed on hot days)
    8. Weapons of any kind
    9. Glass containers
    10. Alcoholic beverages
    11. Laser pointers
    12. Gas grills or charcoal barbecues
    13. Stickers or Confetti
    14. Any other item deemed unsafe by Utah’s Hogle Zoo security

    According to Wikipedia:


    The Hogle Zoo is currently owned by the city of Salt Lake City. It is supported through tax dollars and private donations raised by The Utah Zoological Association.


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    If it's still owned by the city there is NOTHING they can do according to....

    76-10-500. Uniform law.
    (1) The individual right to keep and bear arms being a constitutionally protected right, the Legislature finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state. Except as specifically provided by state law, a citizen of the United States or a lawfully admitted alien shall not be:
    (a) prohibited from owning, possessing, purchasing, selling, transferring, transporting, or keeping any firearm at his place of residence, property, business, or in any vehicle lawfully in his possession or lawfully under his control; or
    (b) required to have a permit or license to purchase, own, possess, transport, or keep a firearm.
    (2) This part is uniformly applicable throughout this state and in all its political subdivisions and municipalities. All authority to regulate firearms shall be reserved to the state except where the Legislature specifically delegates responsibility to local authorities or state entities. Unless specifically authorized by the Legislature by statute, a local authority or state entity may not enact or enforce any ordinance, regulation, or rule pertaining to firearms.

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    So according to this there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING they OR the PD can do for LAWFULLY carry a firearm on the premises.


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    http://www.council.slco.org/agendas/...007/073107.pdf


    The beginning of this will tell you about the ownership.

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    http://www.weblo.com/property/Other/...le_Zoo/452451/

    Scroll down some and you will find the text ..."The Hogle Zoo is currently owned by the state of Utah. It is supported through tax dollars and private donations raised by The Utah Zoological Association" that I Highlighted and Underlined.

    This is the whole text....

    Utah's Hogle Zoo was founded in its present location in 1931. It was originally a part of Liberty Park downtown, but a large plot of land near Emigration Canyon was donated to house the growing collection of animals by Mr. and Mrs. James Hogle. The Hogle Zoo is currently owned by the state of Utah. It is supported through tax dollars and private donations raised by The Utah Zoological Association. The recently passed Arts and Parks tax has allowed for the building of larger and more natural exhibits, beginning with the Elephant Encounter in 2005 and the Highland of Asia exhibit in 2006.



    So now you can HAPPILY OC at the Zoo because the sign is MEANINGLESS.

    Enjoy your Family trip

    Remember Title 76-10-500, the Uniform Code.

    The Hogle Zoo Security nor the SLC PD can touch you.

    Here is Mitch Vilos # 801-560-7117.

    Clark Aposhian's # 801-560-4836



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    Okay, I'm confused. Who owns it or does it matter? Even if it isn't owned by the state the zoo can't reinforce their policy because it violates 76-10-500, right?
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    If it were a private business, they could enforce any rule they want. You could be kicked out of a store for wearing a green shirt if they wanted to do so. However, entities owned and operated by the State of Utah have to abide by Utah's set of rules when it comes to firearms.
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    So if it is owned by Salt Lake County then what?
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    Outsider wrote:
    So if it is owned by Salt Lake County then what?
    76-10-500 :celebrate.

    Nah,nah,nah can't touch this:celebrate.

    Wether City owned or State Owned. NOTHING.

    Gotta Love Utah:celebrate

    As I said before ENJOY our visit together with our family to the Zoo.



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    Alrighty.
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    Outsider wrote:
    Okay, I'm confused. Who owns it or does it matter? Even if it isn't owned by the state the zoo can't reinforce their policy because it violates 76-10-500, right?
    "The Hogle Zoo is currently owned by the state of Utah. It is supported through tax dollars,..."

    therefore "it violates 76-10-500."

    "a local authority or state entity may not enact or enforce any ordinance, regulation, or rule pertaining to firearms."

    Have a Great Day,

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    The wife doesn't want me to open carry on Monday because she is afraid we won't get in. She said, "You're not going to get shot at the zoo." My response, "The people at Trolley Square, Omaha Mall, and Virginia Tech didn't think they'd get shot either." What do I say to her?

    BTW, I honestly think one of the best ways to honor men and women of Memorial Day, our fallen and gone veterans, who died to defend our rights and freedoms is to EXERCISE those rights.
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    +1 to that. You should OC anyway. And so should your friend, since he wont go shooting with me. Ah I guess you guys had those plans for a while anyway. shooting was kind of a spur of the moment thing. You guys make sure to have fun.

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    When I am worried that somebody might not let me in somewhere, I will place my elbow and forearm right over the pistol. This usually shields the firearm pretty well. I realize you do not have a concealed firearm permit, so wearing a jacket to get in is a no no. Once inside, go about the day as usual!
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    SGT Jensen wrote:
    When I am worried that somebody might not let me in somewhere, I will place my elbow and forearm right over the pistol.
    That's gotta be quite a trick with your thigh rig

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    I wear the thigh rig when I don't care what anybody thinks.
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    Outsider, who did it go at the Hogle Zoo?

    We need a report:celebrate.

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    Yes please report when you get back.

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    What is a "Hogle"?

    I have been to a lot of different zoo's in my life, and I see you Utah guys talking about a "Hogle Zoo" and I wonder what kind of animal a "Hogle" is.


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    Good question. I wonder if they are still going, it's raining pretty good here.

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    tarzan1888 wrote:
    What is a "Hogle"?

    I have been to a lot of different zoo's in my life, and I see you Utah guys talking about a "Hogle Zoo" and I wonder what kind of animal a "Hogle" is.


    Tarzan

    Here you are Tarzan,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogle_Zoo

    The Hogle Zoo is a zoo located in Salt Lake City, Utah. It is the state's largest zoo, containing a variety of animals from different ecosystems. The zoo lies across the mouth of Emigration Canyon from This Is The Place Heritage Park.

    edit] History
    Hogle Zoo originally started out in Liberty Park, which is located between 500 and 700 East, and 900 and 1300 South in Salt Lake City. The original exhibits consisted of deer, monkeys, an elephant, and various North American birds and mammals. It officially became the Hogle Zoo in the mouth of Emigration Canyon on August 1, 1931 after Mr. and Mrs. James A. Hogle donated a sizeable amount of land. The Hogle Zoo is currently owned by the city of Salt Lake City. It is supported through tax dollars and private donations raised by The Utah Zoological Association. In 2006, the zoo celebrated its 75th year in existence by giving free admission to anyone born in 1931 with proper ID as proof.


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    So we got to the zoo and I had my gun on my belt and my wife told me to take it off and leave it in the car, along with my extra clip and knife. My wife and my buddy's girlfriend were so afraid I was going to goto jail when I knew I was acting completely within the law. I decided not to argue but I was upset. At the entrance of the zoo I saw the following sign:



    It says "some items" so it might have more but no weapons of any kind are shown on that sign nor did I see any at the ticket stand or on the little zoo map. So I don't know...

    But here are a few other pictures:




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    So after all this discussion, you didn't carry? Bummer. I want to know where to get more info about when/where I can carry and when/where I cannot.... along with some kind of quick reference I can carry around in my wallet.... where to begin... any ideas?

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    Yeah, don't get me started.
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    Well as a newbie, maybe you can help me out. I just got my 1911 and plan to get my concealed permit for when I have it at the University. I took the gun down on my hip, unloaded, to Doug's shoot n sport to talk about ammo and have them look at the feeding ramp.

    I stopped by Albertsons on the way back to get a few things and left the holster on my belt but put my firearm in the trunk. I just need some help with Utah's gun laws, what to do when pulled over (when they can take my firearm, when they can't), and general tips on when its unlawful for people to sieze my firearm or ask me to leave a premesis.

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    A good start would be ScottyT's Utah Law Gun Pamphlet at http://www.thegreshams.net/ucc.com/Utah%20Gun%20Law.pdf.

    Also Utah Concealed Carry at http://www.utahconcealedcarry.org. Many members here are members at UCC as well and I learn a lot from all of them.

    I just picked up Utah Gun Law 3rd Edition by Attorney Mitch Vilos and I heard that is some pretty good reading as well.

    But that pamphlet helps out a lot. I printed it out and carry it now, also giving it to people I see that want to know about the gun law or are confused about it.

    To answer a few of your questions:

    Q: Albertsons
    A: Without a Utah CCP or a CCP that Utah honors you cannot carry a loaded firearm in public and concealed. You can open carry it unloaded. Unloaded means no round in the chamber but you can have a full magazine.

    Q: What to do when pulled over.
    A: A law enforcement officer should never grab your firearm or ask you to remove it. That is a no-no, in my opinion. Without a Utah CCP or a CCP that Utah honors in a vehicle it still cannot be loaded and when you are in a vehicle just put it on the seat or on the dash board or something where it is in plain view. You really don't need to inform them if they pull you over.

    Q: Leave the premises.
    A: You should never be asked to leave a State or local building, but you cannot carry in a federal building (post office, court, etc.). If you are on private property (Albertsons, Costco, movies, etc.) they can ask you to leave if not then you are trespassing.

    When you read that pamphlet it lists all the Utah Codes for these things. UTOC and others here are much more knowledgable though on these subjects then me and will probably clarify and list the law for you.
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