John McCain for President?

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Well, I was going to vote Libertarian this year, but those douche bags nominated a Republican for President, so...now that Libertarian Party is now Republican Lite, I suppose I'll have to vote fourth party or write someone else in.

Ron Paul is the probable write-in choice.

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I just cringe at the idea of Obama or Hillary selecting a Supreme Court Justice or two.

That choice could last 30 years!!!!

That is why I have to vote against them.

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Ric in Richmond wrote:

I just cringe at the idea of Obama or Hillary selecting a Supreme Court Justice or two.

That choice could last 30 years!!!!

That is why I have to vote against them.

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That's the only reason I may be able to bring myself to vote for McCain. If it were highly unlikely that a SCOTUS opening would arise under the next presidency I wouldn't vote for the man.

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John wrote:

Well, I was going to vote Libertarian this year, but those douche bags nominated a Republican for President, so...now that Libertarian Party is now Republican Lite, I suppose I'll have to vote fourth party or write someone else in.

Ron Paul is the probable write-in choice.

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The 'drug legalization' plank is still in the LP platform. That kind'a excuses them from Republicanism, lite or otherwise or, indeed, from conservatism...and my vote.

Yes, I will write-in Ron Paul as my own shot in Operation Chaos.

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savery wrote:

I'm voting Ron Paul.

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+1,000,000



I refuse to vote for the man who gave us McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, and McCain-Kennedy.

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Prophet wrote:

Doug Huffman, I am a libertarian and I have never done an illicit drug in my life. The libertarian party isnt a "pro-drug" party but rather a pro freedom party. In that if someone wants to **** up their life by taking drugs they are more than free to do so. Just like if someone wants to defend themselves with a firearm for protection they are free to do so. And I find that this is your reason that you wouldnt vote for a Libertarian yet are willing to vote for Ron Paul, the Libertarian Candidate for mayor in 1988. Mr. Paul also believes that the War on Drugs is a huge waste of money and time and we would be better off without it. He says so right on his webpage.

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No one said that you had.

Here are the relevant planks from the LP http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

2.9 Health Care

We favor restoring and reviving a free market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want, the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions.

1.2 Personal Privacy

We support the protections provided by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, and property. Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. We favor the repeal of all laws creating "crimes" without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.

When John Q. Public, the (healthcare) taxpayer is not responsible for the misdeeds of his brother then we can do more than pay lip-service to personal freedom.

Ron Paul is not the GOP and the GOP is not Ron Paul (same as Bush). My vote for Paul is a 'none of the above.' If the Pres was the head of his party and/or the party kept the Pres in line then things would be different. If froggies had wings then they wouldn't bump their butt.

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Prophet wrote:

Well sir, if Obama wins and some goosestepping nazis come for my gun, im blaming people just like you.

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Prophet, I can see where it may make more sense for some voters to hold their nose and vote for McCain in a blue state that is closely contested like yours. However, the statement above is something I cannot get behind. If you want to blame somebody, there is a lot of places to end up pointing fingers and the first place you should start is the people that were actuallysocialist enough to place their vote for Obama.

If McCain loses, it will not be because of people that vote third party. It will be because the GOP hasn't given us a decent presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan and we were left with nobody worthy of our vote. People must vote their convictions and live with that vote the rest of their lives. I realize I live in a state that will vote for McCain no matter what I choose to do, but I had decided this way 4 years ago.

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+1 flintlock , the GOP has failed us.

I saw a report some time back that showed McShame as getting an F from the NRA the previous 2 years and a C the 2 years before that. How is this good for gunowners.

He claims to want to put in adherants to the constitution on the bench but he does'nt adhere to the constitution himself.

At this point I can't vote for him, I just don't see where I agree with him on anything.

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While my vote leads to McCain. I assure you that noway in hell will I ever give a second thought to voting for an Anti-American like Osama Obama. The man refuses to wear the flag pin and put his hand over his heart. 2 simple gestures that show respect to the flag and this country. Not to mention the thousands of men and women across this country that never made it home in defence of it. I don't see how anyone could even consider someone who doesn't believe in the country they want to run. God help me and us all if he becomes our Commander and Chief. Hell McCainhas even asked Osama to join him several times on a trip to Iraq and has been told no thus far. Don't get me started on his immigration ideas. His mentor is a black power extremist preacher.

Billary is no different in my mind. She's supportive of the troops and the flag at least. But she wants to take our guns as well. She's on record as saying "ONLY LEO's and Military in the line of duty should be allowed access to weapons". At least she's not out for an outright ban. Her views on immigration lack common sense.

McCain may not be 100% on the side of gun owners but no candidate is. At least he's willing to say that the law abiding citizen should be allowed to have guns and keep them. He supports the troops and has made trips to the Middle East to show his support. He's for harsh immigration laws.

While no candidate will see my way of thinking 100%. I'll at least go for the one that shares the most at at least is willing to shift toward those views.

I'm a Pro gun, Pro military, Catholic, and if your not here legally get the hell out. My .02

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savery wrote:

Soooo... what some of you are saying is that if someone comes up to you and says that they will either kick you in the balls or beat you over the head with a bat, those are the only options?




Kimber G19 did you sleep through civics class? it's called a write in.

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Yeah, there is the write in option, but as far as the effectiveness, you might as well write in "Krusty the Klown".

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deepdiver wrote:

Ric in Richmond wrote:

I just cringe at the idea of Obama or Hillary selecting a Supreme Court Justice or two.

That choice could last 30 years!!!!

That is why I have to vote against them.

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That's the only reason I may be able to bring myself to vote for McCain. If it were highly unlikely that a SCOTUS opening would arise under the next presidency I wouldn't vote for the man.

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Justice Stevens is 88 years old, I believe that there will be at least his retirement and possibly one or two more. I do not want Obama making the choices. He might even nominate Hillary:uhoh:.

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A gun grabber is a gun grabber and both McCain and Obama are gun grabbers.

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Flintlock wrote:

If McCain loses, it will not be because of people that vote third party. It will be because the GOP hasn't given us a decent presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan and we were left with nobody worthy of our vote. People must vote their convictions and live with that vote the rest of their lives. I realize I live in a state that will vote for McCain no matter what I choose to do, but I had decided this way 4 years ago.

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Good Point Flintlock. I sometimes forget that people live in defined red and blue states instead of the purple bubble states that I am surrounded by (Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania). If you live in a state where the only possibility that an opposing candidate can be elected is if he is found in bed with a dead woman or a living boy I can see and support voting for a third party candidate.

BUT...for those of us who live in a state where our vote does matter...sometimes you have to do something for the greater good. Having lukewarm 2A McCain is better than having Hell Frozen over cold Obama or Hi-liar-y. People like to discount Nader's impact in 2000. If one out of 4 Nader supporters voted for Gore, we have a very different past 8 years...just sayin.

Doug, Im not sure Im following what your complaint is. The libertarian party states that they dont want universal healthcare, that people should get their own. So if people want to ruin their health with drugs then it is that individual who will pay for his own recovery, not john q taxpayer.

As for Ron Paul...he's a libertarian and believes in the aforementioned drug and healthcare polices. So yes, you want a none of the above candidate and thats fine, but dont say you cant vote for a libertarian because thats like saying you cant vote for a gun grabbing democrat and then you go and vote for Hillary Clinton if she decided to run as an independent.

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Doug Huffman wrote:

John wrote:

Well, I was going to vote Libertarian this year, but those douche bags nominated a Republican for President, so...now that Libertarian Party is now Republican Lite, I suppose I'll have to vote fourth party or write someone else in.

Ron Paul is the probable write-in choice.

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The 'drug legalization' plank is still in the LP platform. That kind'a excuses them from Republicanism, lite or otherwise or, indeed, from conservatism...and my vote.

Yes, I will write-in Ron Paul as my own shot in Operation Chaos.

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Ron Paulbelieves in ending prohibition too, Doug.


Regarding Ed's post, McCain did an interesting job of spinning his support of banning private sales at gun shows. He spins it as "at a time when some where trying to ban gun shows..." Give me a break. Banning gun shows was never a viable idea and McCain didn't have to join the left as he always does. He apparently still hasn't changed his position and therefore he doesn't get my vote. If he does change his position on that, I will reconsider. For the time being Bob Barr is my candidate.

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I'd still like to know why the current GOP is supposedly so dedicated to Second Amendment rights.

Yes, yes, I know that historically, Democrats are pro-gun and Republicans anti-gun.

But where does this line up with the beliefs of the current Republican party? How can a rabidly fascist (see Flag Pin an immigration comments), pro-"security", pro-militarization party be trusted with protecting our rights? Or how can they be trusted any more so than a party that favors minorities' rights, the power of the people (rather than the State), and who clings to anti-gun issues as a secondary issue?

Most importantly, if the GOP no longer needed true gun owners for votes, what would stop them from having their elected leader ban guns in the name of "security"? I'm fairly certain that if another 9/11-style attack happened tomorrow, and George W. Bush went on television tomorrow night and explained how everyone must turn in all their guns for national security, 99% of gun owners would do so, and the majority would be happy to do it "for the State", er, "for safety".

What I'm saying, in a roundabout way, is that it's dangerous to assume the GOP has the interests of gun owners' on their minds. The GOP panders to gun owners for votes, and will ditch true gun owners when it becomes convenient. And "conservative" and "liberal" mean no more than which rights a particular person supports and which he rejects based on his convictions. See "illegal" guns versus "illegal" immigrants. Big authoritarian government versus big socialist government. Safety from outsiders versus safety from insiders. Can you trust future SCOTUS appointees to choose "our" side of the gun debate when the cherry-picked freedoms have been so politicized as to be meaningless?


Even more succinctly, I'll take a socialist over a fascist any day.

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is this mc cane running for some kind of office or something??:?


i know the democrats have a choice of a pantsuit or the other guy...but are the repubcrats even in this race??:what:




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yes, this is a two party system you have the republican/democratic party and ?....?

you folks are all acting like the republicans and democrats are 2 seperate parties, but in truth, they are one .look at teh conspiracy.. I mean cooperation between teh current Republican candidate and his democratic brethren should prove to you that while, they may hold MINOR differences of opinion in order to keep up the charade of seperation, they are in fact one party.

besides Huckabee and Paul ( neither of which would have been alowed to make it as far as teh primary) can you name one viable republican candidate who wouldn't have been just as home in teh democratic ranks as in teh republican?

by the way, I will either be voting for Paul or Barr. I haven't made up my mind yet.

blame me for whatever you want to, but we all know the reason why we have come this far down the rabbit's hole, it is the " lesser of 2 evils" mentality. the mentality that you must vote for whoever the "system" tells you to vote for that has brought about teh current destabilization and corrosion of our constitutional rights, not those few peope who still remember what the founders had in mind when they designed the elective process.


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BobCav wrote:

The lesser of two evils is still.....evil.

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Quit criticizing the moderators.

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I have written this before and I still believe it. It is about SCOTUS, period. I am voting for McCain, even as I hold my nose, because if I voted for Obama, I would have to hold my rearend after he gets done putting activist judges into SCOTUS, and taxing the heck out of me. Also, know that with a Dem congress, and activist court, you can say goodbye to your guns.

The left will take you guns and smile while doing it. It will be for your own good.

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400HP wrote:

The left will take you guns and smile while doing it. It will be for your own good.

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They will die smiling and it will be a good day for dying. Democracy is the rule of fools by fools and I will not be ruled by them or their lapdog Popo.