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    I was in a gun store (ommitting name on purpose) and asked about their open carry policy. He replied that he didn't have a problem in his shop as long as you were respectful, but that open carry around town was a terrible idea - stating that you become a target for someone who specifically means to do you harm. The situation he used involved that person realizing you had a gun at that point and would hold of his attack until he was prepared.

    Said he knew someone who gets harrassed by West Valley Police Dept - WVPD. Apparently the neighbors compalin about this guy a lot as he walks through the neighborhood and openly carries. The owner also said he would support the neighbors if a "disturbing the peace" charge was ever brought against the guy.

    From what I've read in Mitch Vilos' book, this is a possibility for every person who openly carries.

    The owner also asked me why I would risk so much to open carry, which I replied "because I can". Seems to me that a right unused is a right lost.

    Don't know how you all feel about this, let's discuss!!

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    I was in a gun store (ommitting name on purpose) and asked about their open carry policy. He replied that he didn't have a problem in his shop as long as you were respectful, but that open carry around town was a terrible idea - stating that you become a target for someone who specifically means to do you harm. The situation he used involved that person realizing you had a gun at that point and would hold of his attack until he was prepared.

    Said he knew someone who gets harrassed by West Valley Police Dept - WVPD. Apparently the neighbors compalin about this guy a lot as he walks through the neighborhood and openly carries. The owner also said he would support the neighbors if a "disturbing the peace" charge was ever brought against the guy.

    From what I've read in Mitch Vilos' book, this is a possibility for every person who openly carries.

    The owner also asked me why I would risk so much to open carry, which I replied "because I can". Seems to me that a right unused is a right lost.

    Don't know how you all feel about this, let's discuss!!
    Let me Guess......Dougs Shooting Sports, it was either Dave or Mike that you spoke with.It was more than likely me the person referred to.

    I'm pretty much the only one that OC in West Valley, as far as my neighbors....nah, they know who I am and they don't complain.

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    *sigh* I'm tired of the "tactical advantage" argument. I'm not saying it has never happened, however, I have yet to see a single news story or documented case of it happening.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    haha, I should have put 2 and 2 together.... I did notice you were in WVC. So, since you busted the case wide open... ya that was the place. I figure he's entitled to his opinion, and it wasn't worth getting into it and making a scene and tension... because I generally like to shop there.

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    I brought it up to him that you never see the news reporting that "someone who was open carrying a firearm legally was shot and killed today", but he figured they wouldn't report that at all.

    By the way, do you mean that you are sick of the "concealed is a tactical advantage" argument?


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    *sigh* I'm tired of the "tactical advantage" argument. I'm not saying it has never happened, however, I have yet to see a single news story or documented case of it happening.

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    xRapidDavex wrote:
    By the way, do you mean that you are sick of the "concealed is a tactical advantage" argument?
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    Damn I am tired of dealing with that argument!!! I am sure so is everyone else.

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    xRapidDavex wrote
    By the way, do you mean that you are sick of the "concealed is a tactical advantage" argument?
    Oops, yeah I did.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    xRapidDavex wrote:
    I brought it up to him that you never see the news reporting that "someone who was open carrying a firearm legally was shot and killed today", but he figured they wouldn't report that at all.

    By the way, do you mean that you are sick of the "concealed is a tactical advantage" argument?


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    *sigh* I'm tired of the "tactical advantage" argument. I'm not saying it has never happened, however, I have yet to see a single news story or documented case of it happening.
    "Tactical Advantage":quirky.

    Give me a barf bag (where is that emoticon when I need it).

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    Yeah.... well anywho, I'm not against open carry - but the person should look respectable to calm people (not look like a gang banger). But I WILL need to conceal carry on campus.

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    Yeah the old " criminal will rob you of your gun" statement is plain getting old along with the "surprise advantage" crap.

    Had a cop telling me all this, must be the 100th time I have heard it...

    Yet the only incidents I know of withOCers being robbed, or targeted for OCing are the one guy in VA at 4 am and the others are of uniformed cops being targets BECAUSE they are uniformed cops. All the people on this board and the PAFOA board, and not 1 of you has come on and said " OMG some guy snuck up on me and stuck a gun in my ear and stole my OC gun!" or " I was at a 7/11 and some robbers came in and shot at me because they saw I was OCing". It seems most OC negative incidences are with cops heckling you due to them seeing you somewhere or people calling in "man with a gun" calls, and in some cases the cops are committing unlawful acts againstyou the OCer. I haven't read of any street criminals doing anything to OCer's except that one 4 am VA incident. I bet that guy was half asleep or something, and that is why it happened. Funny that the crimes being committed against OCers are not from gangbangers or crackheads, but by LEO's such as the Dickson City idiot cops.

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    I don't know if any of you guys read this but it might give you some ideas about the advantage of open carry.

    Open Carry v Concealed Carry - http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/7507.html

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    Thanks for the reference, nice write up.

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    I had my CCW instructor here in Nevada tell me OC was illegal in Clark County (this was 2 years ago.) I told him that was ********, pulled out a $100 bill and said "this is yours if you can fuckin' prove it..." I then offered to call CCW detail at the sheriff's office on speaker phone.

    He told me to knock it off or he'd kick me out of the class... everyone laughed (at him, not me.)

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    dreamcro wrote:
    xRapidDavex wrote:
    By the way, do you mean that you are sick of the "concealed is a tactical advantage" argument?
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    Damn I am tired of dealing with that argument!!! I am sure so is everyone else.

    that plus the whole 9mm is for women or pansies...


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    [b]that plus the whole 9mm is for women or pansies...
    This pansy is willing to donate a 9mm round from his sig into anyone who doesn't think it will get the job done.

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    Really? the whole "9mm is for women or pansies" thingis an argument? I figured it would be common knowledge that it was for pansies, and not even be thought about or up for debate! :P:P:P

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    Really? the whole "9mm is for women or pansies" thingis an argument? I figured it would be common knowledge that it was for pansies, and not even be thought about or up for debate! :P:P:P
    Awwwwkwaaaaarrrd......

    There's nothing against a guy using a 9mm if that's what they are comfortable with. There are pros & cons on both sides of this fence.



    (I know you were probably joking, just throwing in my $0.02)

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    that plus the whole 9mm is for women or pansies...


    The most effective gun is the one you happen to have in your hand when you need it. I have guns of all calibers and any would be better than none, of course... but I still prefer to carry an XD .45 all the time. And I'm a 62 year old woman! :celebrate
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    I love the 9mm, it has great performance per dollar, practice ammo is cheap, high magazine capacity (Generally) and pretty low recoil (Although it can still be reduced further with a DPM system ). With good ammo it performs very well when compared with the .40S&W and .45ACP, although many will have you believe it doesn't come close.

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    I once knew a flamboyantgay man who owned a .38, so I must conclude that .38's are for "pansies". His dad's legal machineguns(including a class 3 EBR!) etc made up for it though LOL

    Oh and being I am a woman, I guess my XD9 sub is permissible! The XD40 4" is better for OC though, but the 9 loaded with rat shot is pretty fun on barn rats. 9mm is great for varmint hunting LOL

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    A 9mm is no joke. Any handgun which has the ability to stop a threat in a few or less shots is a serious gun. Weak calibers that I would consider would be the .22 for instance. I would also be hesitant about relying on a revolver as a primary carry gun and prefer it as a concealed backup. I own a 9mm gun and it is the worst kind of gun in many ways for bad guys. It is a Glock semi-automatic where a standard magazine holds 15 rounds. I own a high-capacity magazine that holds 33 rounds. I regularly carry the gun with the standard magazine in and an extra backup standard-capacity magazine totaling 30 rounds of available firepower. So should about 6-7 Mexican gang-bangers walk up to me and pull out their switchblades, they would not be receiving a liberal education filled with medication, group therapy, treatment, and hugs. Instead, they would receive a conservative education. The Glock 9mm with my assistance would shoot half of them and then the other half would now be educated.

    A handgun that can fire dozens of rounds in a short period of time and can be quickly reloaded is not a "pansy" weapon.



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    Jesus people, it was a joke, calm down.

    The best caliber isthe biggest oneyou can accurately and controllably put on target. End of discussion.

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    I got that it was a joke and thought it quite funny
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    One I recall was about the post-WWII builds of Walther P38s, which were supposedly of very poor quality.

    "You get 8 warning shots and one well-aimed throw."

    A little off topic, but you get the picture...

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    WhiteRabbit22 wrote:
    Jesus people, it was a joke, calm down.

    The best caliber isthe biggest oneyou can accurately and controllably put on target. End of discussion.
    Disagree.

    The size of the bullet isn't even close to the only factor that should determine the "best caliber." I can easily handle .45, but I feel .40 is a better round for defense due to penetration, etc....

    It's all personal preferences. I carry my 9mm quite a bit and I'd dare anybody to bet their life that it won't be effective.

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