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    these are the 40 top arguments made by liberals:


    1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit, and Chicago cops need guns.

    2. Washington, DC's, low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
    3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
    4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994, are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
    5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
    6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
    7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 magnum, will get angry and kill you.
    8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
    9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).
    10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
    11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
    12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
    13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.
    14. These phrases, "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "the powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people," all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.
    15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
    16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
    17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons," but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'' because they are military weapons.
    18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's, and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms, and there were no school shootings.
    19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
    20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
    21. A handgun, with up to four controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
    22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
    23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers, but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
    24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
    25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
    26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
    27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
    28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
    29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.
    30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
    31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as formerpresident of the NRA, was a cheap lunatic who should've been ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc., is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
    32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
    33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
    34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
    35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
    36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
    37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
    38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
    39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
    40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

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    I dropped a gun on my foot while using the bathroom once, so they are potentially dangerous (this was before polymer frames - ouch).

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    Legba wrote:
    I dropped a gun on my foot while using the bathroom once, so they are potentially dangerous (this was before polymer frames - ouch).
    I was also a victim of a gun-related injury a few weeks ago. I was loading my Mosin from a stripper clip, but my finger slipped, and I lost part of my finger nail. Damn guns, always trying to hurt people...

    Anyhow, good thread.

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    Great post!
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    Anyone ever get M-1 thumb?

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    Good list, excepting that the National Guard was created in 1903 rather than 1917 although the 1917 date may have something to do with the National Defense act of 1916 (maybe it took effect in 1917) which codified the name "National Guard" as the official name of what was already the National Guard, if that makes any sense. Anyway, my understanding is that the National Guard considers 1903 as their "birth date" but perhaps I am misunderstanding something of it's history.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    The OP should be greatly ashamed of themselves. I am unable to get up off the floor and my sides ache.

    Great post and all are right on the X.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Good list, excepting that the National Guard was created in 1903 rather than 1917 although the 1917 date may have something to do with the National Defense act of 1916 (maybe it took effect in 1917) which codified the name "National Guard" as the official name of what was already the National Guard, if that makes any sense. Anyway, my understanding is that the National Guard considers 1903 as their "birth date" but perhaps I am misunderstanding something of it's history.
    actually, "officially" the national guardclaims to be over 370 years old... talk about delusions of grandeur.

    Quoted from teh National Guard website:



    1636 - The First MusterWhen the National Guard's oldest regiments met for their first drill on the village green in Salem, Massachusetts, they were barely 3 months old, organized on December 13th, 1636, the date we now celebrate as the National Guard birthday.

    In 1637, the English settlements in North America were a tiny fringe along the Eastern seaboard. As settlement pushed west into the interior, the institution of the militia, which the colonists brought with them from England, went with them. The militia tradition meant citizens organizing themselves into military units, responsible for their own defense. The militia, later called the National Guard, has fought in all the nation's major wars, as it fights today in Iraq and Afghanistan. Its oldest units, like the one pictured above, are the oldest units in the United States military and among the oldest military units in the world.
    http://www.ngb.army.mil/About/default.aspx
    click on the link "1636" at the top of teh page. To be quite honest, the guard completely ignores their early 20th century founding in order to "appear" to be the actual militia.....

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    Samuel Adams wrote:
    Anyone ever get M-1 thumb?
    no real close though. I took the corner of my thumb off but it was only a small corner.

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    Number 6 is, believe it or not, strongly believed by a lot of libs. "If I'm unarmed no one has a reason to attack me!":what:

    For over 11 years when I was living in Kalifornia at least half of my neighbors were libsand it's mind boggleingthe stuff that they believe in. And trying to reason with them is like talking to a brick, though the brick is smarter.
    "You can teach 'em, but you cant learn 'em."

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    Huck wrote:
    Number 6 is, believe it or not, strongly believed by a lot of libs. "If I'm unarmed no one has a reason to attack me!":what:

    For over 11 years when I was living in Kalifornia at least half of my neighbors were libsand it's mind boggleingthe stuff that they believe in. And trying to reason with them is like talking to a brick, though the brick is smarter.
    they believe in the tooth fairy too?

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    unreconstructed1 wrote:
    Huck wrote:
    Number 6 is, believe it or not, strongly believed by a lot of libs. "If I'm unarmed no one has a reason to attack me!":what:

    For over 11 years when I was living in Kalifornia at least half of my neighbors were libsand it's mind boggleingthe stuff that they believe in. And trying to reason with them is like talking to a brick, though the brick is smarter.
    they believe in the tooth fairy too?
    I would'nt be surprised!
    "You can teach 'em, but you cant learn 'em."

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