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Do you honor "Off Limits" signs?

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I carry everywhere , posted or not. I ignore all off limits signs ( then I CC of course) and the only place I respect (sort of) is the post office:cuss:, since I think it may be a felony, other than that I carry 100% of the time and never leave my sidearm in the car.

I'm not under man's law on this one, I'm under God's law and I'm responsible for the lives of my wife and kids and those innocent people that are around me at any given tme...period.

I'm not bound to honor any man that will not allow me to defend myself...period. I'd rather be arrested then be like that lady in Killeen Texas, could you imagine her remorse for obeying the "law"...sad, very sad, the blood of many innocent people almost on her hands.

How about you?

Do you ever leave it in the car?

When and why?
 

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I tend to not look for signs banning carry. Plausible deniability is an awesome thing.

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I'd rather be arrested then be like that lady in Killeen Texas, could you imagine her remorse for obeying the "law"...sad, very sad, the blood of many innocent people almost on her hands.
The blood is absolutely NOT on her hands! It's on the hands of former governor Ann Richards (may she forever burn in hell) who vetoed the Texas concealed carry law.
 

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47 wrote:
I carry everywhere , posted or not. I ignore all off limits signs ( then I CC of course) and the only place I respect (sort of) is the post office:cuss:, since I think it may be a felony, other than that I carry 100% of the time and never leave my sidearm in the car.

I'm not under man's law on this one, I'm under God's law and I'm responsible for the lives of my wife and kids and those innocent people that are around me at any given tme...period.

I'm not bound to honor any man that will not allow me to defend myself...period. I'd rather be arrested then be like that lady in Killeen Texas, could you imagine her remorse for obeying the "law"...sad, very sad, the blood of many innocent people almost on her hands.

How about you?

Do you ever leave it in the car?

When and why?
This is my thoughts exemplified:

http://www.tacticalresponse.com/d/node/169

Carry your gun...
 

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47 wrote:
I carry everywhere , posted or not. I ignore all off limits signs ( then I CC of course) and the only place I respect (sort of) is the post office:cuss:, since I think it may be a felony
Uh, you need to do some research onpost office carry. A felony it is not.
 

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I carried concealed in SC, the only lawful carry. I carried in POs, a lawfull activity by my reading of the USC. I ignored businesses' signs when I couldn't conveniently avoid doing business with them.

GrassRoots SC had legislation passed making lawful signs extremely burdensome on the business, ensuring they aren't recklessly (without reckoning the consequences) placed. Without 'doors', like a warehouse, the signs must be three-feet by four-feet (SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements).

SC requires explicit permission of a homeowner for armed entry and I was ostentaciously polite (read 'loud') in announcing that I was armed and requesting to enter.

For one neighbor, an old retired Colonel, I would disarm as a mark of my respect for him, putting my piece under my hat on entry. He understood that his guests enjoyed his personal protection while under his roof just as my guests do under my roof.
 

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I also generally ignore "anti-gun" signs on businesses since they have no power in law and CC there. If I am discovered, they can only ask me to leave. For me and the area in which I live, there are only a few places I patronize that have any such signs, so (two as I recall), so it really doesn't pose a problem in the logistics of it all.

However, it is a problem when viewed in the reasoning for it since both of the places I have seen the signs are ripe for criminal activity. And one of those places has an on-going problem with crime anyway. The two places are a close Wachovia bank and the Manassas Mall shopping center. When I go to Manassas Mall it is usually for one of the "satellite" stores such as Sears or Macy's and I OC in both of them with no problems. If I must enter the general mall, I cover up to CC because entries into that area are posted.
 

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For privately owned buildings I never notice any signs if they are there. If they ask me to leave I will respect there wishes so as not to trespass. In NV that's all that is asked of me. Now, for federal buildings or places that are strictly off limits by law I would not try to carry into them.
 

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Doug Huffman wrote:
I carried concealed in SC, the only lawful carry. I carried in POs, a lawfull activity by my reading of the USC. I ignored businesses' signs when I couldn't conveniently avoid doing business with them.

GrassRoots SC had legislation passed making lawful signs extremely burdensome on the business, ensuring they aren't recklessly (without reckoning the consequences) placed. Without 'doors', like a warehouse, the signs must be three-feet by four-feet (SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements).

SC requires explicit permission of a homeowner for armed entry and I was ostentaciously polite (read 'loud') in announcing that I was armed and requesting to enter.

For one neighbor, an old retired Colonel, I would disarm as a mark of my respect for him, putting my piece under my hat on entry. He understood that his guests enjoyed his personal protection while under his roof just as my guests do under my roof.
Sounds like as far as you are concerned GrassRoots SC wasted their time getting that legislation passed since there isn't a need to follow it. You say thatthey made it as hard as possible to put up lawful signs and then youignore them. Instead of wasting their time getting worthless sign legislation passed maybe they should have worked harder on reciprocity.
 

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47 wrote:
I carry everywhere , posted or not. I ignore all off limits signs ( then I CC of course) and the only place I respect (sort of) is the post office
How about schools? Carrying in K-12 schools is illegal in Idaho. Courthouses, too.

Personally, I carry everywhere I can carry lawfully. "No guns" signs have no legal force in Utah so I ignore them, except that I (usually) conceal. Posted churches and residences are off-limits, so I don't carry there. National Parks are illegal -- for now -- so i don't carry there.
 

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PT111 wrote:
Sounds like as far as you are concerned GrassRoots SC wasted their time getting that legislation passed since there isn't a need to follow it. You say thatthey made it as hard as possible to put up lawful signs and then youignore them. Instead of wasting their time getting worthless sign legislation passed maybe they should have worked harder on reciprocity.

Please don't hear ( "sounds like") what I did not write and do not attribute your twisted conclusion to me.

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$
 

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Doug Huffman wrote:
PT111 wrote:
Sounds like as far as you are concerned GrassRoots SC wasted their time getting that legislation passed since there isn't a need to follow it. You say thatthey made it as hard as possible to put up lawful signs and then youignore them. Instead of wasting their time getting worthless sign legislation passed maybe they should have worked harder on reciprocity.

Please don't hear ( "sounds like") what I did not write and do not attribute your twisted conclusion to me.

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$

quoted wrong one... deleted
 

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swillden wrote:
47 wrote:
I carry everywhere , posted or not. I ignore all off limits signs ( then I CC of course) and the only place I respect (sort of) is the post office
How about schools? Carrying in K-12 schools is illegal in Idaho. Courthouses, too.

Personally, I carry everywhere I can carry lawfully. "No guns" signs have no legal force in Utah so I ignore them, except that I (usually) conceal. Posted churches and residences are off-limits, so I don't carry there. National Parks are illegal -- for now -- so i don't carry there.
You cannot defend yourself in court if you are dead. End of story.

Think about the Virginia Tech Massacre.
 

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Bravo_Sierra wrote:
swillden wrote:
47 wrote:
I carry everywhere , posted or not. I ignore all off limits signs ( then I CC of course) and the only place I respect (sort of) is the post office
How about schools? Carrying in K-12 schools is illegal in Idaho. Courthouses, too.

Personally, I carry everywhere I can carry lawfully. "No guns" signs have no legal force in Utah so I ignore them, except that I (usually) conceal. Posted churches and residences are off-limits, so I don't carry there. National Parks are illegal -- for now -- so i don't carry there.
You cannot defend yourself in court if you are dead. End of story.

Think about the Virginia Tech Massacre.
Thanks for answering the question, how insane is it that even gun folks will not carry anywhere, like schools. If you're DEAD then you suck right? I correct my answer, only federal building (I try to stay out of those of course!) and courts, but other then that I go EVERYWHERE, even PRIVATE residences (I CC there, its NONE of thier business, ITS MY LIFE, and thier HOUSE is lesser than my LIFE).

End of story, thanks
 

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47 wrote:
Bravo_Sierra wrote:
swillden wrote:
47 wrote:
I carry everywhere , posted or not. I ignore all off limits signs ( then I CC of course) and the only place I respect (sort of) is the post office
How about schools? Carrying in K-12 schools is illegal in Idaho. Courthouses, too.

Personally, I carry everywhere I can carry lawfully. "No guns" signs have no legal force in Utah so I ignore them, except that I (usually) conceal. Posted churches and residences are off-limits, so I don't carry there. National Parks are illegal -- for now -- so i don't carry there.
You cannot defend yourself in court if you are dead. End of story.

Think about the Virginia Tech Massacre.
Thanks for answering the question, how insane is it that even gun folks will not carry anywhere, like schools. If you're DEAD then you suck right? I correct my answer, only federal building (I try to stay out of those of course!) and courts, but other then that I go EVERYWHERE, even PRIVATE residences (I CC there, its NONE of thier business, ITS MY LIFE, and thier HOUSE is lesser than my LIFE).

End of story, thanks
Yes, but their rights on their property trump what rights you think you have on their property to some degree.

If you, personally, for whatever reason, were in my home with a gun, you'd be going right back out. You seem very unstable to me.
 

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After evaluating the risks, I make 2 exceptions.

The first is work. I think the chances of your standard mugger are low, but there is a chance of a massacre happening where I work, and it even is a slightly higher possibility than most workplaces as it is a prominent organization despised by many. However the chances of being fired are nearly 100% even with the best concealment. We have armed security trained to spot CCWs and upon sight they will forcibly remove a person from the premises immediately. But other than that, the job is good. Yes I can't feed my family if I'm dead, but I also can't feed them if I'm unemployed, and it's pretty hard to find an IT job where you can CC without issue.

The second is Schools. I spend very little time in them, and for the few short minutes I'd rather take the very minute risk of being there during a massachre, than face the much more likely outcome of being pegged with a felony.

These are all my personal decisions, but I do support anyone who's decision is to carry everywhere. Of course I also support the rights of private property holders to make you leave if they do not like it.
 

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ITS MY LIFE, and thier HOUSE is lesser than my LIFE
Then you should make the decision not to come into their house, not to violate their property rights and come in armed against their will.
 

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even PRIVATE residences (I CC there, its NONE of thier business, ITS MY LIFE, and thier HOUSE is lesser than my LIFE).
And people wonder why the antis feel the way they do. With an attitude like this I don't care whether you have a gun or not you are never welcome in my home or on my property. You are the exception rather than the rule butan attitudelike that can do more damage to pro-gun rights than anything Hillary Clinton can ever do.
 

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It totally depends on the laws in your state. Here, OC of a handgun is illegal, so carry is always concealed with a CHL.

Given that, there are actually very few places you can't legally take a gun:


  • Businesses with a conformant 30.06 sign

  • Government buildings

  • Professional/collegiate/interscholastic sporting events

  • Bars (establishments making more than 51% of revenue from alcohol sales for on-premises consumption)

  • School buildings (grounds are OK as the land is not defined as "premises")

  • Church buildings(and equivalents)
So basically, going through your daily routine the only thing you really have to watch for is a valid 30.06 sign, and they're hard to miss. The specifications are quite clear; 1-inch text, contrasting colors, very specific wording in both English and Spanish, posted prominently. Gunbusters or "No Firearms Allowed"means absolutely nothing if you're legally carrying.
 
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